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Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by ethanbond on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:05AM (#32690223)
> I went from "picking an Android very carefully for rooting" gradually to "what's on sale at Best Buy for about 150" with no major shift in experience or quality.

Well a lot of people can very clearly tell the difference between a middle of the pack iPhone and a $150 Android device. That you experienced no such variation among the Android lineup is why people prefer Apple. It "feels like" a premium product, is priced like a premium product, and is perceived as a premium product because... you guessed it: it's a premium product!

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by jrm4 on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:19AM (#32690401)
You literally just gave no reasons.

Edit: So to clarify, you could be saying "there is something better about Apple" or "Apple people are complete suckers." Which is it?

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by ethanbond on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:54AM (#32690879)
I'm saying that creating a premium product cannot be distilled down to one feature/dimension/characteristic and it's a fruitless task to just ask people on the internet to do it for you.

1) Many people can't specifically identify and articulate which characteristics lead them to prefer one product over another.

2) Many people have different reasons for preferring the same product over the same alternative

3) An individual is probably preferring a set of characteristics that overdetermines their preference (i.e. if you remove one of the set, their preference still doesn't change) and the set is comprised of individually not-very-important characteristics.

Would you be confused if someone said that they prefer a Porsche Panamera over a Honda Civic? They could probably say they prefer the size of the Panamera, but that's clearly not sufficient explanation because they also would prefer it over a CR-V. Then they'd say the materials used are better. But would they now accept a CR-V with the interior redone in ultra-premium materials? Very unlikely.

The reality is that their preference is a complex mixture of things that they struggle to even detect never mind articulate. "Good product companies" get this, and bad product companies just stare in befuddlement at why their CR-V with fancy leather isn't outcompeting Porsche. Of course when you ask someone to explain their preference, they cannot. They don't have the language to describe it! It's a silly question to even ask!

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by jrm4 on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:57AM (#32690930)
So..Suckers. Got it.
Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by ethanbond on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:05AM (#32691029)
Sure! I hope "other people are idiots" is a helpful model for you.

I find much more value in the view that a great product is the confluence of millions of tiny, apparently inconsequential decisions. It seems completely believable that if the product developers are successful, I as the consumer would struggle to reverse engineer what all of those decisions are by looking at the finished product.

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by jrm4 on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:16AM (#32691156)
No. seriously -- your absolutely content-free justification of a great product implies, e.g. that crack dealers are great developers of a great product. I legitimately find this sort of after the fact justification not just bad, but dangerous.
Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by ethanbond on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:42AM (#32691413)
But it's not after the fact. Go talk to someone at Apple and they will tell you before the fact how much work goes into the tiny little details. But you're asking users why, and the answer is how could they possibly know? Either everyone is an idiot and you're somehow not hitting a trillion dollar market cap with that knowledge, or the company is doing something very subtle that adds up in ways that are not articulable by laypeople [0].

Not sure what analogy you're getting at with crack. Separate from the moral valence you're trying to ascribe to it, of course it's a great product in some respects. Though I'd suggest that explaining why a single molecule that interacts ~directly with the brain's reward system is a "good product" is much easier than something like a smartphone or car.

[0] One example I happen to know about had to do with the really complex machining that was required on one of the iPhones (forget which) to make the bevel around the screen bezel wrap around the corner in a way that felt (but was not actually) "flat" relative to the straight-line parts of the bevel. Without this multi-axis beveling, which was apparently a complete nightmare to figure out how to manufacture, the corners would've "seemed" sharper. Does that mean someone would pick up an iPhone and remark how nice it is that the corner bevel rotates another 3 degrees or whatever? Obviously not. Does that mean this was a complete waste of time? No one knows. Apple's market cap, margins, adoption, and consumer loyalty point toward them doing something uniquely right though.

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by jrm4 on Friday September 02, 2022 @01:05PM (#32693126)
Views like the ones you are expressing are dangerous and bad for the world, and I hope you grow to understand that.

The ability that you have to equate affinity/addiction to "good/quality" is downright creepy, and sadly symptomatic of literally the worst bits of all of technology.

If you're operating in real life like this, please stop.

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by ethanbond on Friday September 02, 2022 @01:58PM (#32693780)
Errr what?

"Good product," at least in English, generally means "a product that people successfully and happily use for its intended purpose." It doesn't usually mean "a product that does good in the world." There are plenty of very good products that don't do good things in the world. If you're operating in real life as if these are inseparable features of an object, please stop.

Well, I suppose you can carry on. Again, if it's useful for you to believe everyone else is an idiot and that, now, good product == product that does good, go ahead. I think this is a very low-resolution picture of reality though, and is probably the source of some of your confusion.

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by jrm4 on Friday September 02, 2022 @04:35PM (#32695438)
I'm not here to "be correct about somebody's particular definition of words," I'm here to try to get people to make better decisions and actions in the world.

It is absolutely the case that the definition you are using can serve as a technically correct one. But that's not very important. What is important is that real people are being harmed by exploitative technology, and you handwaving that away as if it should be a dismissable part of the conversation is you doing a bad thing.

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by ethanbond on Friday September 02, 2022 @05:01PM (#32695670)
I’m not handwaving that away lol. You asked whether people could explain why they prefer iPhone over Android. We’re far afield from the point that I (thought?) I was replying to, so I’ll wrap it up here. Have a good weekend!
Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by unknownaccount on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:16AM (#32690364)
iPhones aren’t even that expensive anymore. You can get a like-new iPhone SE 2020(which has the same CPU as a 13 Pro Max) for a mere $200 online. There is no Android phone that comes close to the price:performance ratio. Even the cheapest Android phones any prepaid carrier sells retails for $150. It simply blows every other comparably priced Android out of the water.
Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by LtWorf on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:28AM (#32690523)
Old phones have stale batteries that do not last as long as newer phones.

In my experience iphone users carry a powerbank with them.

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by unknownaccount on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:31AM (#32690569)
Has there been some breakthrough in lithium ion battery technology in the last 2 years that Im not aware of? I have 2x 2020 SE's which I've used every day and the battery life is still great. Im always surprised how much time I have before shutdown while using my phone at 1%.
Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by arcastroe on Friday September 02, 2022 @11:57AM (#32692321)
I suspect the phone lies about it's true battery levels and reserves (1% - 10%) to display to users as 1%. Is this true? Does anyone have a source for what 1% really means?
Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by LtWorf on Friday September 02, 2022 @11:52AM (#32692256)
No breakthrough… batteries keep decaying, and old batteries have more decay.

2nd hand phones with non replaceable batteries are not worth paying much.

Re:Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones ... by dam_broke_it on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:56AM (#32690916)
Do not forget to add in the cost of a new battery replacement as these "refurbished" phones come with worn out batteries....