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Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by markeibes on Friday September 02, 2022 @02:10AM (#32687175)
They already plan deviously right now by overbooking.
Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by kortilla on Friday September 02, 2022 @02:27AM (#32687272)
s/deviously/optimally

I don’t care about the financial success of airlines but I sure as fuck don’t want jet fuel burned pushing around empty seats.

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by kashkhan on Friday September 02, 2022 @02:50AM (#32687427)
Sure you do. Airplanes should be at least 10% empty on average. High load factors are bad for the travellers.

If you want to save fuel fly 5% slower and save 10% fuel.

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by TomatoTomato on Friday September 02, 2022 @03:22AM (#32687654)
Are you saying maximizing load factors are worse for fuel economy or just slowing down would be a preferred cost saving measure in your opinion? Average load factor in the US is already <90%.

Either way, what about the unintended consequences for travellers if a slow down was mandated permanently?

You would need at least 15% more planes, pilots, ground personnel, etc... to handle the reduced bandwidth. For non-direct flights, fewer connections could be made likely increasing the airport population its ancillary services.

Airlines already do this from time to time usually when fuel costs outpaces pricing power:

https://www.reuters.com/article/airlines-fuelcells-kemp/refi...

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by sokoloff on Friday September 02, 2022 @04:18AM (#32688091)
When load factors get too high, recovery from irregular ops (weather, crew, or mechanical disruptions) becomes a nightmare for passengers. People end up stranded for days without available seats.
Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by kashkhan on Friday September 02, 2022 @04:08PM (#32695198)
slowing down 5% adds 10 minutes flying time to a 3 hour flight. Drag varies with square of speed except when you get close to Mach 1 where it gets much worse.

Its also possible to fly 20% (36kft vs 30k) higher where drag for the same speed will be lower. Drag varies linearly with density.

An aircraft purposely designed for low fuel consumption could save 50% or more jet fuel without being significantly slower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_D8

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/aeronautics/features/future_airp...

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by notahacker on Friday September 02, 2022 @05:29AM (#32688631)
An 85% load factor still means you probably have a passenger sitting either side of you and a baby wailing somewhere in the distance, but now you're paying more money for your seat and arriving later.