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Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by WalterBright on Thursday September 01, 2022 @11:44AM (#32678075)
Since it's heavier than Earth, what about the rocket equation? Colonizing it may mean the inhabitants could never leave it.
Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by Symmetry on Thursday September 01, 2022 @11:47AM (#32678135)
We're not getting to a planet 100 light years away with chemical rockets so presumably the future inhabitants will be able to use high efficiency rockets to leave it.
Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by notfish on Thursday September 01, 2022 @12:05PM (#32678448)
I don’t think interstellar travel necessarily implies much better tech than we currently have. I mean, Project Orion style nuke-powered spaceships can get you there in a lifetime but unless you wanna nuke your colony whenever someone needs to leave you still might be stuck on the surface.
Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by google234123 on Thursday September 01, 2022 @12:24PM (#32678765)
What? A nuke in space will have very little impact on a planet. A nuke on a planet doesn't have much impact on the planet either: see all the tests done on earth.
Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by marcosdumay on Thursday September 01, 2022 @01:01PM (#32679422)
It's a non-trivial number of nukes on every single launch. If it becomes popular, it will have a very noticeable effect on a planet.

Nuclear propulsion isn't the only alternative we have for reaching low orbits. Land-powered rockets are probably much better, and there is always the odd high-elevation rail or space elevator (but those get bad fast on large planets).

Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by vikingerik on Thursday September 01, 2022 @11:59AM (#32678346)
There are non-rocket ways to space, like a catapult or maglev accelerator. Or ways to assist the rocket outside the rocket equation, like a spaceplane launch platform. Or even Project Orion nuclear explosion propulsion. (Which is subject to the rocket equation, but with nuclear rather than chemical fuel for a much higher multiplier of energy per mass.)
Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by WalterBright on Thursday September 01, 2022 @04:45PM (#32682917)
I'm skeptical a catapult could ever work in an atmosphere as thick as Earth's. The drag would be incredible.
Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by perihelions on Thursday September 01, 2022 @12:45PM (#32679123)
It'd just be 13 km/s to low orbit (or 19 km/s to escape), which isn't really that much for small payloads -- New Horizons had a total of 17 km/s delta-v. You don't even need to look at space elevators or fission or fusion launch systems, all of which are probably viable on first principles.
Re:An extrasolar world covered in water? by vikingerik on Thursday September 01, 2022 @04:07PM (#32682352)
That orbit or escape velocity really is that much. The rocket equation is exponential, such that even a small change in the required speed means a large change in requirements. The difference between Earth's escape velocity of 11 km/s and this planet's of 19 is actually quite huge. Imagine you build an 11 km/s rocket as you would on Earth... to get it off this other planet, first you have to accelerate that rocket and all its fuel to 8 km/s.

The rocket equation is Δv = Ve ln (m0 / m1), where Ve is exhaust velocity, m0 is payload mass, m1 is mass including fuel. To get 19/11 as much Δv, you need a fuel/mass ratio of e^(19/11) = 5.6 times greater.