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Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by nu11ptr on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:13PM (#32671475)
It's worse than that: we are celebrating it

Now I'm not saying we need to shame anyone, but saying "healthy at any size" is a terrible lie and in the long term helps no one.

Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by c54 on Thursday September 01, 2022 @02:27AM (#32672724)
“Healthy at any size” is a reasonable stance, and one in reaction to a medical system and social norm of being mean and hateful towards overweight people. BMI is not the only measure of health, but doctors will regularly tell heavyset patients with real other diseases to lose weight.

Fat people are literally the only group where it’s just OK to make fun of them, in many circles.

Even for those who are overweight and unhealthy, berating and shaming someone is never going to be a way to help someone heal.

Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by dclusin on Thursday September 01, 2022 @02:51AM (#32672915)
It’s okay to shame smokers because they are hurting more than just themselves with second hand smoke. But it’s not okay to shame fat parents who let their kids get fat even tho that’s hurting others. The logical conclusion of what you’re asking for is absolving people of accountability for their poor life choices. People rightly and understandably vehemently disagree with this.
Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by ahtihn on Thursday September 01, 2022 @02:36AM (#32672789)
Shaming works. There's nothing wrong with doctors telling overweight patients to lose weight. Because it is unhealthy.
Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by onion2k on Thursday September 01, 2022 @02:54AM (#32672935)
Shaming works.

Why is obesity becoming more common when every doctor tells people to lose weight then?

Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by wickedsickeune on Thursday September 01, 2022 @03:39AM (#32673222)
It's obviously people who like being ashamed! /s
Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by anchochilis on Thursday September 01, 2022 @03:53AM (#32673335)
"Healthy at any size" does not literally mean "obese people are as healthy as thin people."

I recommend reading the book, the entire point of which is about shifting one's health efforts from an exclusive focus on weight to a more holistic view.

I.e. even if you can't drop that last 20 pounds (and many people struggle to do so, especially as they age), you should still eat a healthy diet, exercise, limit alcohol intake and avoid smoking.

Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by nu11ptr on Thursday September 01, 2022 @08:28AM (#32675386)
The "healthy at any size" kick isn't talking about an extra 20 pounds. From the pictures I've seen it is at least an extra 100lbs. The problem is by removing the stigma of being obese, we are ushering in massive health issues and disease for this upcoming generation.
Re:U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutiv... by anchochilis on Thursday September 01, 2022 @10:44AM (#32677007)
The idea that we have removed the social stigma for being obese is laughable.

Obese people are discriminated against in healthcare, employment, and social settings.

Furthermore, numerous studies have show that fat shaming does not lead to weight loss. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/

Shockingly, it turns out if you tell someone with 100 lbs to lose that they are a disgusting lazy piece of shit doomed to an early grave, they tend to withdraw from health care and other social settings, seek comfort in unhealthy habits, and suffer from anxiety and depression. They may give up on their health entirely. After all, if you've struggled your entire life to lose weight and made little progress, then what's the point?