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Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by marcinzm on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:03PM (#32656739)
I was in Poland in the late 90s and there were fairly large economic issues with a lack of job projects for many people. This in turn resulted in fairly high rates of crime as it was one of the more guaranteed ways to make a living if you were young. Many other people left the country to make money which in the long turn led to some of the Brexit issues. I literally didn't meet a single person, including myself, who wasn't burglarized or mugged at least once. Four point locks and steel doors were the norm for apartments and houses (and that didn't always help).
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by cube2222 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:23PM (#32656866)
It's probably worth adding that this is no longer the case.

Live in Poland, muggings aren't really a thing, and according to the "what worries the world" monthly polls of ipsos[0], poles are the nation that least worries about violence and crime (it was surprising for me to see the effect is that strong), with only 5% worrying about it.

[0]: https://www.ipsos.com/en/what-worries-world-july-2022

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by fy20 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @10:37PM (#32657708)
I live in Lithuania and I guess it was the same here, as all apartments have thick steel doors with multiple locks, and ground floor apartments of older buildings often have bars.

Now though it's nothing like that. I'm originally from the UK and I feel much safer being here. Not only personal safety (I don't feel there's any 'bad parts' of the city you 'shouldn't go') but also private belongings. I've never heard of anyone in recent times being burgled or having their car broken into.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by justsomehnguy on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:11PM (#32656799)
> Four point locks and steel doors were the norm for apartments and houses (and that didn't always help).

Because whose who installed them of course now knew where are someone with something worth protecting with a steel doors.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by filoleg on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:26PM (#32656881)
It wasn't only for the rich and wealthy (or those who had anything valuable at all) even in the slightest in some of the Eastern European countries at that time.

If you look at houses in Compton and see metal bars on the windows, you don't instantly think "man, they must have lots of expensive stuff to steal". Kind of the same deal here.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by justsomehnguy on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:54PM (#32657081)
Yeah, and guys who were installing these doors were blindfolded and couldn't see what the stuff the owner of the apartment had.
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by filoleg on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @09:06PM (#32657160)
Do you genuinely believe that people in eastern europe at the time were so oblivious and naive? I can bet you that on average, they were way more cautious and aware of their surroundings than modern people living in the west are.

For once, I don't think that they would consider leaving all of their valuables in front of the front door where everything is visible. Unless installing the front door includes rummaging through the entire apartment, all while the person living there is just standing and smiling. Which, I assure you, isn't how it usually goes.

And I am not trying to make it as some attack on people living in the west, I am one of them now myself. It speaks more about how safe and comfortable the modern western life can be, compared to what it was in those eastern european countries back then, that we can afford to be so oblivious to our surroundings and so much less cautious.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by justsomehnguy on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @11:00PM (#32657880)
> oblivious and naive

I see oblivious and naive people everywhere all the time (eg phone scams)

> they were way more cautious and aware of their surroundings than modern people living in the west are

Thanks for assuming I'm just a stupid guy from the West.

> all of their valuables in front of the front door where everything is visible

Of course not, but there is a lot of things what can tell you there could be valuables there. Ruined flat in a commie block is one thing, but a freshly renovated flat in that commie block is another thing.

If you think a little you can, probably, understand why I know that.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @09:21PM (#32657250)
the people you are incorrecting and are arguing with?real experience or living in a high crime environment.

Maybe it's worth taking their points seriously instead of arguing. Nobody has flimay wooden american-style doors in Russia, everyone installs steel doors, thats the norm.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by marcinzm on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @11:45PM (#32658144)
This isn't the west where you worry about a small percentage of semi-professional burglars. This was a pretty massive number of fairly amateur burglars who did it simply because it was easy. If you did nothing then you'll get robbed by them due to sheer numbers. Guaranteed. If you do something then you'll face the much smaller percentage of more professional burglars. Then you're only somewhat likely to get robbed.
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by dmitriid on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @01:38AM (#32658778)
We had our neighbors (who we thought our friends) break into our apartment and steal stuff.