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Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by MichaelCollins on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @06:40PM (#32656078)
> The U.S. put its thumb heavily on the scale

More than a thumb. The Constitution of Japan was written by Americans. America stomped on the scale, and that time it seems to have worked.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by agumonkey on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @06:51PM (#32656183)
isn't it cultural ? japanese seems to be ok struggling under american control and keep reaching higher. People say US money made Japan thrive but so many time throwing money at a large problem fails.. I think the population was just more mentally compatible.

Or maybe the post soviet Russia was dealt a bad hand. Hard to know (just like here, you can find infinite streams of contradictory arguments)

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by MichaelCollins on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @06:58PM (#32656256)
Hard to say. I suspect the horrific bombing of Japanese cities probably had something to do with their willingness to submit. Leaving their Emperor intact as a figurehead probably helped a lot. Perhaps American willingness to help Japan rebuild immediately after such a bitter war also played a role.

There were probably innumerable factors that went into it. But there are a lot of differences between that situation and the fall of the Soviet Union.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @07:51PM (#32656647)
WW2 was the culmination of Japan's semi-conscious effort to speed run the transition from feudal backwater to first rate world power. Considering all the stuff they had pulled off up until that point and that they exited WW2 with their national identity and power structures intact I don't think it's that surprising that they pulled off the transition from imperial government to constitutional democracy with an imperial figurehead.
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @07:43PM (#32656596)
Chief among them is, the US did not conquer or occupy the USSR. We had definite say in Japan (and West Germany). We didn't in the USSR.
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by DubiousPusher on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:01PM (#32656730)
That's a good point. America had some influence and backed Yeltsin to the hilt but he outflanked Gorbachev in the end and I'm not sure if that could've been changed.
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by fomine3 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:29PM (#32656901)
Korean war is a big reason why Japanese industries revived, and the US don't want let Japan poor
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by bigcat12345678 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @07:06PM (#32656329)
> isn't it cultural ?

On the one hand, in the scale of brutality, every nation in history is at least 1 level below the Imperial Japan in WWII.

On the other hand, after the decisive show of force, beaconed by the nuclear bomb, Japan realized that brutality is going to cause the doom of that nation. So they naturally bowed down. After that brutality is no longer necessary, like a beaten dog that would not really need a leash.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by agumonkey on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @11:45PM (#32658143)
It's one way to see that. But after such brutal events it's easy for a people to fall into despair or hate but Japan bounce back better than a lot of country. They rapidly absorbed and mastered electronics better than a lot of country. I always find it rare.
Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by MichaelCollins on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @01:51PM (#32665835)
> They rapidly absorbed and mastered electronics better than a lot of country.

I believe this is something they started doing before/during the war. Specifically I've heard that they started reverse engineering and producing copies of allied radio equipment during the war.

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by bigcat12345678 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @12:14AM (#32658301)
That part thanks to confuscious tradition

Look at China, Confucius is the God of Asia....

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by vintermann on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @03:38AM (#32659441)
But it ironically worked a lot because they pushed a constitution which looked nothing like their own.