Mikhail Gorbachev has died

Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by lapcat on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @06:09PM (#32655804)

> Your comment makes it sounds like you believe the U.S. had the power to decide whether or not Russia would turn into a kleptocracy or not.

There's a lot of evidence that US kleptocrats collaborated to help turn Russia into a kleptocracy. Practically encouraged rather than discouraged that outcome.

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Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by avmich on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @06:40PM (#32656081)

I'm sceptical that turning Russia into a kleptocracy was a plan. Usually participants just want to quickly enrich themselves. So I can agree that "let's make it good" plan didn't work well enough, but for planned degradation I'd like to see more arguments.

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Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by koheripbal on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @06:55PM (#32656216)

You cite no evidence for this conspiratorial claim.

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Re:Mikhail Gorbachev has died by vladTheInhaler on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @07:59PM (#32656712)

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russ...

American consultants were instrumental in organizing the massive selloff of state assets, and quite a few of them turned around and used their knowledge of the system they created to become quite rich. Andrei Shleifer said as much in an interview on the topic, though I can't find it now.

edit: it seems like someone else posted the same link while I was looking for the interview.

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