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Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by ClumsyPilot on Sunday August 28, 2022 @11:39PM (#32634572)
> Unlawful combatants, by contrast, are not entitled to a trial, and can even be executed on the spot if it seems advisable

When you write these things, imagine how they work when your simply replace names of countries involved.

You are saying it's right and proper when a Russian soldier executes a Ukrainian civilian putting up resistance? Or a civilian that looks like the guy that was putting up resistance?

Either you are a combatant, or you are a criminal. If you are a combatant, Geneva convention applies. If you are a criminal, system of justice applies. There isn't some sort of third subhuman category you can just execute willy-nilly.

Civilians can and do take up arms to defend their homes. They do not have uniforms just for such an occasion and Geneva convention recongises that.

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by Turing_Machine on Monday August 29, 2022 @12:04AM (#32634699)
> If you are a combatant, Geneva convention applies.

Only if you are wearing a uniform and otherwise abiding by the laws of war.

Look it up.

Edit: Read it yourself.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/Article.xs...

Note that even resistance forces are required to wear insignia.

It doesn't have to be a fancy uniform, even an armband of a specific color will work.

What you cannot do is engage in hostilities while hiding among the civilian population.

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by int_19h on Monday August 29, 2022 @12:37AM (#32634841)
And how do we know that the people locked up in Gitmo were not wearing an armband or something similar?

Oh, right, the United States government told us. How convenient.

Truth is, in many cases, those people weren't combatants at all. But when you're denied due process because of the presumption of being an "illegal combatant", it's kinda hard to prove otherwise.

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by Turing_Machine on Monday August 29, 2022 @09:22AM (#32637879)
> And how do we know that the people locked up in Gitmo were not wearing an armband or something similar?

> Oh, right, the United States government told us. How convenient.

Yes, the United States government has kept them prisoner for 20 years, at great inconvenience and expense, because they just want to be meanies. You bet.

> But when you're denied due process because of the presumption of being an "illegal combatant", it's kinda hard to prove otherwise.

"Due process" is a feature of United States civilian law.

Not international martial law.

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by dragonwriter on Monday August 29, 2022 @04:22PM (#32643053)
> Yes, the United States government has kept them prisoner for 20 years, at great inconvenience and expense, because they just want to be meanies.

Well, no, they took them prisoner and held them there initially for a variety of bad reasons, and then they were kept there subsequently largely because of intrabranch squabbles, radicalization because of long unjust confinement, and foreign reluctance to help resolve the problem (in large part due to the preceding point) making it difficult to find a resolution to the problem created by the initial bad decisions.

(Anthropomorphizing the US government as if it were an individual with general consistence of interest is... not consistent with political reality, often, or on this point in particular.)

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by Turing_Machine on Monday August 29, 2022 @09:17PM (#32645609)
Every one of them is there for a "bad reason"? Not a genuine terrorist in the lot?

Sorry, you are not arguing this point in good faith.

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by int_19h on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @03:46PM (#32654222)
If there are, why is the government fighting tooth and nail to prevent anything pertaining to those cases from ending up in civil courts?

Your "prisoners aren't entitled to due process" point doesn't matter - even if true, if we are the good guys, we should embrace the process that conclusively establishes guilt or innocence for everyone to see, not lock people up in special you-have-no-rights prisons.

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by ClumsyPilot on Monday August 29, 2022 @04:19PM (#32643022)
> Yes, the United States government has kept them prisoner for 20 years, at great inconvenience and expense, because they just want to be meanies. You bet.

So there are no political prisoners in China?

Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists by Turing_Machine on Monday August 29, 2022 @09:18PM (#32645612)
The United States is not China.