Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by jwilber on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:51PM
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Cruelty is worldwide. See: Rwanda, Yemen, former Yugoslavia, Mexican cartels, ISIS, etc. for a small sample of non-US cruelty in the twenty-first century.
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Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by jfengel on Sunday August 28, 2022 @11:07PM
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The US would not like to think of itself in that company. But it seems that quite a few Americans see ourselves as better only because of our identity as Americans and not because of any difference in behavior.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by umanwizard on Sunday August 28, 2022 @11:55PM
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American exceptionalism goes both ways. Yes, people who see the US as uniquely moral and good are wrong. So are people who see the US as uniquely bad. It’s somewhat better than most countries in the world, and somewhat worse than some others, especially Western and Northern Europe, i.e. the most developed part of the world.
If it’s not fair to compare the US to Yemen, then it’s not fair to compare it to Norway either. It simply is what it is.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by nojonestownpls on Monday August 29, 2022 @12:53AM
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Yeah, there's two ways to look at this:
* The US is doing better than you might expect from an influential, powerful country, that could be abusing its power much more (but that's how empires fall, and the US has learned from the lessons of history)
* The US is doing worse than you might expect from a prosperous and stable country, one that doesn't need to be driven by desperation and genuine threats to survival
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by jfengel on Monday August 29, 2022 @09:48AM
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I wouldn't compare countries. But I can recognize what the OP said, that for many Americans the cruelty is the point, and I find that unpleasant all on its own. The comparison to the worst may not be apt, but I feel disgusted to be even inaptly associated with it.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by umanwizard on Monday August 29, 2022 @11:45AM
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By saying “Americans” rather than “human beings in general” you are implicitly comparing countries.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by jfengel on Monday August 29, 2022 @03:11PM
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I am referring to a specific movement within the US.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by praptak on Monday August 29, 2022 @01:01AM
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Unlike these countries US is supposedly a part of the democratic and free where rule of law and human rights are a thing.
Also, apples and oranges. Cartel violence is a failure of the state but at least not a systemic cruelty by the state itself.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by guano___ on Monday August 29, 2022 @03:19AM
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Lots of countries bake apple pies too.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by colejohnson66 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @11:04PM
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Those countries aren’t first world, and they most certainly don’t claim to be the world superpower.
Re:The sudden silencing of Guantanamo's artists
by umanwizard on Sunday August 28, 2022 @11:52PM
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Plenty of cruelty has been perpetrated by rich, Western countries too, the Holocaust for example. What’s your point?
Also, whether a country is a superpower has no obvious connection to whether it commits human rights violations.