Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by martinko on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:21PM
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> I can say, we will never know what the first human that got to North America had for lunch on their 20th birthday, and I think that’s as true as it could reasonably be.
if there is a large mirror a few hundred light years away we might be able to see his lunch in the reflection ;)
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by omegalulw on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:48PM
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Not necessarily. The signal-to-noise ratio drops the farther you get away.
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by 0134340 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:34PM
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Very few things about the origins of the universe can be stated as fact at this point so “we will never know” isn't a "fact" either. Implied certainty on either side seems pre-emptive.
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by yibg on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:39PM
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I'm not questioning that part. I don't know if stating that we'll never know about the origins of the universe is correct. I tend to agree personally that it seems premature.
All I'm saying is that making (nearly) absolute claims with incomplete knowledge is not a contradiction.
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by ithkuil on Saturday August 27, 2022 @02:48PM
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Furthermore there is the complication caused by ambiguous problem statements. In your example, how we define the first human that got to North America? Which immigration wave? What if there were immigration waves that were completely wiped out without leaving any effects of the subsequent populations?
What is the 20th birthday? According to which calendar? (Leap days etc)?
What is lunch? Not every people subdivide their meals in a predictable way that you can pinpoint to what "lunch" is
Etc etc
EDIT: forgot the most obvious: define what counts for human. It's not clear cut to distinguish boundaries between species
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by goldenkey on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:01PM
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Furthermore if a human time travels back to the past and then sets up shop and lives amongst the first humans, maybe they are the first human? Semantics and ambiguity have a way of making unspecific questions paradoxical
I can say, we will never know what the first human that got to North America had for lunch on their 20th birthday, and I think that’s as true as it could reasonably be. Sure maybe we’ll invent a time machine or some other technology in the future that invalidates it, but if you apply that logic then nothing can ever be stated as a fact.