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Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by yrro on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:18AM (#32604973)
At first I loved LED street lights because I could see so much better by them (and I presume that they have an increased deterrent effect on crime though I have not checked this).

These days I think disrupting wildlife is more important than human safety and I wish we could get rid of nearly all street lighting.

Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by cyborgx7 on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:23AM (#32605026)
I wonder if the ubiquitousness of people carrying flashlights in the form of smartphones could be leveraged into doing away with street lights as an expected practice. I don't think I would actually support that, but I think that kind of shift in culture is a possibility right now.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by megous on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:37AM (#32605130)
It can, but one would need a bit of a ettiquette to not point it into other people's faces. Pretty sure some people would use headlamps if it was necessary for everyone to bring their light source and that is plenty annoying.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by Beltalowda on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:59PM (#32615205)
Much of the time using a flashlight is superfluous, or even counter-productive, if it's not pitch black, unless you have very poor night vision. Your eyes will never adjust to the dark and you will end up seeing less.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by 7steps2much on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:03AM (#32605343)
But wouldn't animals be able to adapt to a single, predictable light source that illuminates a certain area more easily than to an arbitrary number of individual light sources in an arbitrary number of configurations/angles moving around?

That said, maybe one could equip street lights with a sensor so they don't need to run at all times?

Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by actionfromafar on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:09AM (#32605833)
Over a few millenia, certainly.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by neolithicum on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:31AM (#32605074)
Really? You think protecting wildlife is more important than human life? Also, less light might increase the frequency of road kills.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by yrro on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:52AM (#32605262)
Yes, yes I do. We're doing incalculable damage to animal life (e.g., disrupting birds and insects which are essential pollinators for plants). This is but one facet of the crisis that our species has inflicted upon the planet.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by wickedsickeune on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:05AM (#32605801)
The real problem is that the disruption to animal life will eventually affect human lives too, so you don't really have to choose.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by seba_dos1 on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:20PM (#32614979)
That's not what makes the problem "real" at all, even though you're technically right.
Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by neolithicum on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:55AM (#32608337)
But why is that a problem? I do not disagree with you about the crisis (at all!), but the only reason we care is because we're human beings - because we defined this to immoral and also because it endangers human (and other) beings lives. IMO, I find it makes very little logical (and frankly also moral) sense to say as a human being that wildlife conservation is more important than the lives of other human beings.

I know you're not saying quite the same, but this reminds me a bit of an "unpopular opinion" I came across once, which stated that people must die because there are too many people living on earth...

(edit: formatting)

Re:German digital signage ban prompts confusion by seba_dos1 on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:56AM (#32605295)
In this scenario, the choice seems obvious. Humans can make informed decisions regarding their safety and apply measures to mitigate dangers, while wildlife affected by those lights can't.