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Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by shagie on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:25AM (#32594955)
Unless this is a whitelist, it's a metric which will be gamed.

If it is a white list, then why have a search engine rather than an old school curated Yahoo directory?

Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by marginalia_nu on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:33AM (#32595119)
Search engine spam is actually a fairly solvable problem if you aren't in Google's questionable position of also selling the ads that make the spam economically viable.

They can do everything except the one thing that would actually hurt the search engine spammers right in the coin purse: Penalize websites for having ads.

Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by jjoonathan on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:54AM (#32595495)
> The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users.

- Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine

Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by marginalia_nu on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:04PM (#32596654)
Yeah, that one aged well :P
Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by chc on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:22PM (#32596931)
I don't know about that. If I recall correctly, there was a time when Google was trying to tamp down on pages with excessive advertising, so SEO spammers just switched to making pages that superficially looked like normal informational pages, but the content was all either ad copy or spun text, and all their links went to products they wanted to sell.
Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by CM30 on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:44PM (#32600319)
I get where you're coming from, but my experience is that even many people making sites for fun stick ads on the site in the hopes of getting a bit of extra cash. Lots of fansites did so in the olden days, and many useful sites, wikis and blogs do so now, especially if they either use hosting that adds them or they get enough traffic they feel they need to.
Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by marginalia_nu on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:51PM (#32600386)
I'm not saying block ads, I'm saying prioritize sites that doesn't have ads above those that do. Prioritize those that have some over those that have a lot.
Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by rightbyte on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:07PM (#32596707)
> Penalize websites for having ads.

Oh ... this is such a good idea. I'm like tempted to try it and see what happens.

Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by warkdarrior on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:28PM (#32599550)
Is Wikipedia's prompt to donate (which they do quite often) an ad?
Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by hinkley on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:34AM (#32595139)
The whole premise of Google at the beginning was that the web is a collaboration, and we can measure that.

Then it was we can measure that and make money.

Now it’s just we can make money.

Whether that part is sinister or not, we know that we have a good number of bad actors, and from search engine results we can be sure that they have not developed a workable Byzantine fault tolerance mechanism to filter out the bad actors. Those who scream the loudest get put on a stage.

Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by r00fus on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:35PM (#32597123)
Companies that acquire other companies and talent will always change. The goal of making money over everything is the one thing all Class-C corporations have in common.
Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by 0xdeadbeefbabe on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:45AM (#32595335)
An AI could make the list, and pretty soon the gamers of the system would opt for really terse recipe sites.
Re:The coming tsunami of fakery by mayoi on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:37AM (#32595175)
It cannot be gamed. You wrote your own search engine, you wrote your own filters, you know how it works and noone else.

Whitelists that I wrote by hand also don't introduce new unexpected entries by the way :)

This instead could be more like RSS where as your crawler gets new sites, you get updates on new things, and you could filter in your crawler or in RSS client directly, doesn't matter.