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Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by panick21_ on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @08:47AM (#32578707)
I can understand some of these 'lies' but most of them are not really lies. I can understand being angry about self driving, most of the rest of it is pretty absurd.

Most of these are either things that are simple changes in strategy, mostly good choice regards to internal investment and roadmap. Others are research projects that were never promised to be products. I really don't understand how anybody can be angry about any of those.

Some of these are products, but apparently they are not as perfect as they could be according to you. This is pretty absurd definition of 'lie'.

> first mars mission 2024 > Oh man, I forgot he took money to fly tourists to the moon.

This is maybe the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. They are experiencing delay on one of the most difficult engineering projects ever.

I guess we should execute him for daring to not having flown people around the moon.

In aerospace even simple LEO orbit rockets often launch late, its normal and costumers know that its a probability. Contracts do handle these cases.

Most of this boils down to Musk saying 'this is our current plan' and then people get angry when plans change. I don't understand why. Did you personally sign a contract with Tesla for a battery swap station or something?

I for one really like getting updates on what SpaceX/Tesla is planning or working on. But I don't get upset when they change it. When I see a snake charger I don't go 'oh they promises this and it will be in my garage in 3 month'. They have absolutely no obligation to me.

Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by jsight on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @09:22AM (#32579106)
> Did you personally sign a contract with Tesla for a battery swap station or something?

I've found that a surprisingly large number of people are really committed to the idea that battery swapping is the only way that EVs could work. These are personally offended that Tesla abandoned it.

But doing battery swapping well is much more capital intensive than their supercharger strategy was. They could never have afforded it on their own anyway.

Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by panick21_ on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @10:59AM (#32580311)
And people act like some Tesla scammed California by not rolling out the technology widely. But this was never a requirement of the grand.

The whole point of such grants is to figure out if its a commercially viable solution or not, and it wasn't. Or at least not the best one.

Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by erulabs on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @01:50PM (#32583131)
Or, they take both positions simultaneously: The beta was rolled out recklessly but also they haven't delivered what they promised. Turns out self-driving is harder than people thought - and a few upper middle class folks like myself dropped 3k on something that isn't that useful. This occurs... millions of times a day with all sorts of products. What an absolute tragedy?

I'm actually glad they they've decided to slow down iteration on the self-driving stack - in the early days the self-driving would change behavior from patch to patch - it was extremely difficult to get an idea of what it would be thinking. It's obviously not the product that we all wished it was - but... does any product in the world hold up to consumer imagination?

Apple promises that the newest iPhone is a "new superpower". Am I supposed to believe that? Does anyone believe that? It never fails to crack me up that the folks most upset about Tesla's self-driving promise tend to not be customers and vow that they never will be. What in the world is so upsetting about a company over promising and under delivering? Are these people just constantly boiling with rage? Have they never experienced being a consumer before?

Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by clouddrover on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @06:10PM (#32586455)
You were scammed for $3,000 and you like it? I think you need to cultivate some self respect.

These days Tesla wants to con people out of $15,000:

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/even-tesla-fans-think-fsds-pri...

Why should anyone "consume" this "product" when it simply doesn't work as claimed and doesn't meet any of Tesla's self declared deadlines?

Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by erulabs on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:21PM (#32601308)
I don’t like it - I regret the purchase. Don’t you ever buy things you’re excited about only to find out it’s not what you hoped?

I’m just not furious is all - and not nearly as furious as folks who… didn’t buy the product. Me being disappointed in a cool toy is hardly a problem worth discussing.

Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by jsight on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @06:44PM (#32586835)
If I had been "scammed" out of $3k for "FSD", I'd be perfectly happy right now too. The existing highway features are worth about $3k to me.

I wouldn't pay $6k for EAP or $15k for "FSD" though.

Re:Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34 by jsight on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @06:45PM (#32586845)
I feel like there is some ambiguity here. Tesla only allowed a limited number to use it and there are some signs that they weren't serious about it. They may have taken advantage of a loophole to gain more than they credibly should.