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Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by jbay808 on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @01:30AM (#32575284)
Pedestrian visibility is also compromised. My SO is not a tall person. We've tested - she's quite invisible standing in front of these trucks and SUVs, because their front hood is so high and square. A small child would be impossible to see even some meters away. Worse if the driver of the vehicle is not tall.
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by masklinn on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @04:42AM (#32576557)
> A small child would be impossible to see even some meters away.

A US local News did a segment on that recently, they lined up sitting children in front of a truck, I think only the 7th or 8th child in the row was visible and even then barely. You basically can’t see anything shorter than the hood for 10 feet in front of you, and that’s assuming you look at the road from over the driving wheel not between the dash and wheel arch.

Edit: turns out “recently” is optimistic (or more likely this is a recurring segment), found this from 3 years back: https://youtu.be/NDH3FDfVQl0

Tho it’s not the segment I was thinking of.

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by dont__panic on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @10:04AM (#32579605)
This also creates a huge problem for visibility around parked cars. Most US cities I've visited allow parking right up to pedestrian crosswalks on corners (yes, I know this is stupid and dangerous, but the street parking lobby is very strong here). When someone parks a massive truck or a huge SUV on the street, pedestrian, cyclists, and even cars trying to cross the street are stuck gambling on a blind spot.

This shouldn't even be a problem; these massive vehicles literally don't fit in street parking spaces, where they're designated with paint or verge on a bike lane.

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by dsq on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @04:27AM (#32576425)
I once had a Toyota land cruiser start climbing onto the hood of my Hyundai accent because the driver couldn’t see me over the hood of his engine as he driving up out of a parking garage.
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by dfxm12 on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @09:21AM (#32579099)
At some point, there needs to be a separate driving test for these gigantic vehicles. A guy on my block is always parking halfway on the curb and has hit more than a few cars when parking. It really takes a different set of skills than driving a regular sedan or maybe even a crossover SUV. Never seen him haul or tow anything, either.
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by powerhour on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @10:16AM (#32579743)
Making driving tests more strict and mandating a refresher every few years would probably go a long ways towards creating more walkable and bikeable cities. Some folks would choose to drive unlicensed, of course, but it'd be silly to let that imperfection destroy the good.
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by msrenee on Thursday August 25, 2022 @06:55AM (#32592042)
I've hauled all sorts of trailers over the years and driven F750s. They always belonged to friends or work though. When I finally bought my own little 2 horse a ways back, I was just kind of floored that I didn't have to prove to anybody that I knew what the hell I was doing with it. Not long after, I was driving through the mountains in the southwest and realized that I was surrounded by retired people who didn't have to prove they could safely drive their giant RVs.

Don't get me started on cheap CDL training programs.

Driver's testing in the US is a joke.

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by bitexploder on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @09:36AM (#32579271)
As a driver of an oversized vehicle I am always paranoid about driving in the city and almost never do it in my truck. If you walk in front of my truck I literally cannot see you. The tires are almost 4 ft tall and it is easily possible to simple drive over smaller cars. I keep this diesel monstrosity where it belongs, out in nature off roading and buying groceries in my local suburb.
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by dont__panic on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @10:08AM (#32579660)
> buying groceries in my local suburb

Ah yes, the natural environment of the 4ft tall tired diesel monstrosity truck.

I understand that you want this vehicle for offroading. But in my opinion it should be treated like a dirt bike or a 4 wheeler: you should have to tow it to the trails. If you live in the wilderness, feel free to drive it right onto dirt roads and trails. But it just shouldn't be allowed at all in a suburban or urban environment. A truck like that cannot possibly fit in the parking space at the grocery store. Not being able to see over the hood is a danger to anyone walking or biking in your suburb, and probably contributes to the fact that nobody walks or bikes in your suburb.

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by bitexploder on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @10:32AM (#32579973)
I was tongue in cheek. It is not even very useful for off roading except out in very open areas, which it does do okay at, it has a great suspension setup. Too wide to fit on most of the mountain trails here in Colorado, though. And it does fit in a parking spot, if you are very careful, but I generally just park away from other vehicles so no one has to deal with it. I drive smaller vehicles in congested areas. And FWIW a ton of people cycle in my area and I am almost always one of the few people giving cyclists appropriate space out here.

I do at least ponder the moral implications of it. It was fun for a while, I will probably sell it soon, it is rather impractical :)

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by dont__panic on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @11:01AM (#32580360)
As a former Coloradan myself, up your off roading game and get yourself a mountain bike! Especially if you live on the Front Range, there are a ton of trails much closer to home. You might even be able to bike to them!
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by bitexploder on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @11:29AM (#32580696)
Yeah, we do all our "real" Colorado activities in our 4Runner and or with our off road camper. My son loves mountain biking when we go camping. I just don't enjoy mountain biking, but I do live in Golden where you have some great trails minutes away. In all seriousness I actually just use the truck to tow trailers and move cars and other things around, and occasionally take the camper to the more open areas :)
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by Gibbon1 on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @04:18AM (#32576323)
A complaint I have and I've heard from others is the airbags in the A pillars are a menace to pedestrians because they block the drivers view.
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by johnwalkr on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @06:00AM (#32577229)
Yes, cyclists too. When approaching an intersection which is not at right angles, it can be especially dangerous for cyclists when the speed of the car and cyclist is just right for the cyclist to be obscured for a long period of time. [1]

I also noticed when driving a certain Kei car in Japan with no a-pillar airbags and a so-called “split” or “double” a-pillar with a window between 2 skinny pillars, that the visibility is so much better. It feels great when you realize you don’t need to move your head around at all to see past them, the parallax affect of having 2 eyes makes them basically disappear. [2]

[1]https://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/12/02/study-diagonal-inters...

[2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_Tanto#/media/File%3...

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by DoughnutHole on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @08:59AM (#32578852)
Tom Scott has a good video for anyone looking for a visual of this phenomenon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYeeTvitvFU

He shows off a rural (and thankfully now fixed) crossroads in the UK with seemingly great visibility and an unusually high rate of cyclist fatalities - the roads are at such an angle that any reckless driving speed can align with a reasonable cycling speed such that the driver's door pillar can block visibility of a cyclist with right of way right up to the point of impact - and it's compounded by the fact that the car is necessarily approaching from behind the cyclist, so a passing cyclist will be unaware of the danger possibly until they get hit.

Of course if drivers in the area actually followed the stop signs no one would get hit - but if you watch the video in a five minute period genuinely only about half of the cars passing through actually come to a complete stop at the stop sign. You need more than signage and quietly hoping that people to do the right thing.

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by Prcmaker on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @04:41AM (#32576554)
I've had an entire Mazda 2 hidden from view in a roundabout, by the A-pillar and associated airbag of a VE commodore. Pedestrians and bicycles required much more effort to see in that car than any other I've ever driven.
Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by saiya-jin on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @05:47AM (#32577115)
A good rule of thumb is, if you are in dense complex traffic, to move your head around a bit when looking out and in the mirrors. Better coverage of dead angle in side mirrors, adding a bit more 3D into perspective.

Its sort of defensive driving - expect troubles, idiotic clueless drivers, people having heart attack or just turning head to yelling kid on backseat / nice lady walking nearby. Can't save it all but definitely helps.

Driving in country where people, when averaged, drive like crap is a good learning experience (albeit stressful). For me, whenever I enter France from Switzerland (on average 1x per week), its night and day and training (with cursing) resumes.

Re:Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist... by Prcmaker on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @06:40AM (#32577527)
The density or complexity of traffic really has nothing to do with whether a car has been designed in such a way that it significantly impedes vision where it is most critical. In this case, a quiet roundabout with one other car almost directly in front.