Re:The Merge
by dragontamer on Saturday August 20, 2022 @06:01PM
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The hardware to perform PoW already exists. All someone needs to do for a 51% attack is buy up the old mining hardware that is being sold for so cheap.
Every "bust" period for BTC comes with the risk of a 51% attack / centralization.
If the difficulty falls by 90% because 90% of miners were shut off, you only need to buy 5.6% of those thrown-away miners to cause a 51% attack on BTC.
Assuminge no one buys up any of the other 94.4%
Re:The Merge
by dragontamer on Saturday August 20, 2022 @06:14PM
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It doesn't matter if they buy it or not. If they're waiting for profitability, they won't turn those machines on. Or do you think people will spend $100 on electricity to mine $10 of BTC just to keep the security of the token high?
A hypothetical 51% attacker isn't doing it for profits, they're doing it for some other reason. Whatever that reason is, the 51% attack gets cheaper-and-cheaper each time these "bust" cycles happen.
Re:The Merge
by mattwilsonn888 on Saturday August 20, 2022 @10:45PM
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Let us know when you figure out that "some other reason." The primary defense against 51% attacks is waiting the amount of block confirmations that make the cost of attacking the block your transaction is in more than the possible rewards. If we all have to worry about people randomly burning money to 51% attack blockchains then the whole premise is bunko anyways.
Here's a hint, randomly attacking the network in a way that loses you money eventually removes you from the playing field. The network is stronger than a motivated attacker, in principle.
Re:The Merge
by dragontamer on Monday August 22, 2022 @08:33PM
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I don't need to identify a reason. I simply need to point out that BSV, BTG, and ETC have all suffered 51% attacks already. So someone out there is motivated to perform these attacks.
Re:The Merge
by mattwilsonn888 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @09:04AM
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And if you knew the reason you would understand why, though possible, they are not common on Bitcoin Core.
Yes, if the price goes sufficiently low, the problem with solve itself, though probably somewhat abruptly once really bad positive feedback effects kick in, especially if there's a sufficiently fast and large drop. But bitcoin hasn't really hit anything big enough yet: it would take something like a 90% drop from the current price to see much of this start to kick in: bitcoin mining is still very profitable.
I just wonder how much longer we must damage the environment before it happens. Bitcoin has showed us just how much precedence greed has over environmental concerns, and this time it wasn't just big corporations showing their true nature.
As the price keeps falling, presumably so will energy consumption. The energy consumption problem fixes itself as the bubble bursts and people lose interest and mining becomes unprofitable, without the need for regulation.