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Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by jillesvangurp on Thursday August 18, 2022 @05:54AM (#32507348)
Insects and crustaceans (shrimps, lobsters, etc.) are closely related; I always joke that shrimps are just under water bugs. Lots of people that are disgusted by one, enjoy eating the other. Disgust is mostly cultural and learned. Obviously, some of our gag reflexes are about detecting things that are bad. Like rotting meat or things that have gone off.

But then we ferment and rot lots of things intentionally and the products related to that are loved in some parts of the world and found disgusting in other parts of the world because they trigger the same reflexes as food that has gone off. E.g. a lot of Chinese people might not enjoy french cheeses and likewise the french might not appreciate some the fermented soybeans and eggs that are popular in China. And they eat snails, which with a lot of garlic and butter are actually not horrible but also not something everyone enjoys.

Anyway, if you eat fresh produce from your garden, there are likely to come some small critters along with that. Cleaning that is a percentage game. Likewise with organic produce you buy at the market. Small mites, spiders, etc. The occasional bigger bugs you might wash away. But a lot of smaller ones end up in your food. It's fine. We've evolved to be omnivores. Most of that meats with the acid in your stomach and gets broken down. Some of the parasites are a bit more nasty and actually can become an issue. Guess how those end up in your stomach. You eat/drink them.

Probably intensive farming of fish, ducks, chickens, or bugs does not result in the healthiest animals. Unhealthy animals get sick. Eating sick animals is risky. There are some signs that covid happened like that and there have been other examples of diseases spreading from animals to people via farmed animals traded in poultry markets or wherever.

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by nivertech on Thursday August 18, 2022 @06:40AM (#32507654)
> Insects and crustaceans (shrimps, lobsters, etc.) are closely related ...

One important difference: salt-water animals (including crustaceans) harbor parasites which are less compatible with humans, for them humans are dead-end, they can't close the complex reproduction cycle. Land insects and fresh-water crustaceans (e.g. crayfish) are much more dangerous for humans. Lobster sashimi is much safer than eating a raw crayfish from a river or lake. The latter can cause a serious lungs disease.

> if you eat fresh produce from your garden, there are likely to come some small critters along with that.

I once found a caterpillar inside an eggplant ;)

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by sidkshatriya on Thursday August 18, 2022 @07:59AM (#32508325)
> One important difference: salt-water animals (including crustaceans) harbor parasites which are less compatible with humans, for them humans are dead-end, they can't close the complex reproduction cycle. Land insects and fresh-water crustaceans (e.g. crayfish) are much more dangerous for humans.

Nice point. The flip side is that with land based insects the parasites can close the cycle with humans/mammals and hence insect consumption can be more risky.

(Parent comment) > if you eat fresh produce from your garden, there are likely to come some small critters along with that.

Eating food with the occasional insect that has gotten through (e.g in a vegetable or salad) will not be as risky as eating large amounts of insect mass. The probability of then getting a parasite or disease then will be much higher. Its just mathematics.

Why increase your risk probability?

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by languageserver on Thursday August 18, 2022 @08:46AM (#32508840)
> Why increase your risk probability?

this will always be the case. we can "survive" on a very safe diet

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by wonderwonder on Thursday August 18, 2022 @07:38AM (#32508111)
This is exactly why I don't eat shell fish. I have always thought they look like underwater bugs and the thought of eating them is revolting. I am fine with others eating whatever they want, and my wife eats them but its just not for me.
Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by kevinmchugh on Thursday August 18, 2022 @09:25AM (#32509242)
I think bivalves are usually considered shellfish and they just look like muscle. Except for oysters, which look like snot or something and I'm unsurprised when people don't want to eat that.
Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by nivertech on Thursday August 18, 2022 @08:28AM (#32508653)
I recently learned that Rambam[1] advised against eating fruits, even though they're perfectly kosher. Turns out he noticed he noticed that people can get sick from fruits, but back in the day they weren't aware about harmful bacteria and the fact that you need to wash them.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by SnowHill9902 on Thursday August 18, 2022 @08:40AM (#32508771)
Usually if you can peel the fruit the inside is considered כשר.
Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by nivertech on Thursday August 18, 2022 @08:47AM (#32508847)
I was told to always split the apple into two halves, and check that there is no non-kosher meat inside;) Have no idea whether that's an actual kashrut requirement, or it was a joke.
Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by sbf501 on Thursday August 18, 2022 @09:45AM (#32509480)
Is that why there's no "trout sushi"? Because it is fresh water? (At least that's what the SEO results on Google all say.)
Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by jandrewrogers on Thursday August 18, 2022 @12:05PM (#32511479)
Salmonid species (salmon, trout, char, et al) carry nematode parasites that can infect humans. Before salmonid sushi can be eaten, at least in the US, it is required to be frozen, killing the nematodes. Large trout species like rainbow trout are sometimes served as sushi -- I imagine species size and susceptibility to freezing damage factor in too.

Other freshwater fish like sturgeon are also served as sushi.

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by prometheus76 on Thursday August 18, 2022 @11:54AM (#32511318)
Yes. Parasites that are dangerous to humans are much more prevalent in freshwater fish.