Re:Can the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken?
by nullfield on Thursday August 18, 2022 @03:57AM
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Given who owns Zelle and what they do, and that they’re not a bank, I really want zero to do with them. They’re sus AF, IMO, and I’m just waiting for there to be a serious incident.
Re:Can the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken?
by hnburnsy on Thursday August 18, 2022 @10:51AM
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>Zelle is a United States–based digital payments network owned by Early Warning Services, LLC, a private financial services company owned by the banks Bank of America, Truist, Capital One, JPMorgan Chase, PNC Bank, U.S. Bank, and Wells Fargo.
So it is owned by the banks, but the banks that own and offer it don't give any protections.
Re:Can the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken?
by snotrockets on Thursday August 18, 2022 @03:49PM
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It is governed by regulation E (https://www.federalreserve.gov/supervisionreg/regecg.htm), and Zelle admits as much on their website (https://www.zellepay.com/financial-education/pay-it-safe/und...).
They do try very hard to suggest this doesn't apply. This isn't true in practice, but I'm certain many would give up without trying.
Re:Can the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken?
by moate on Thursday August 18, 2022 @01:39PM
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It's almost like that's the point. A lot of tech solutions just seem like ways of offloading liability or skirting regulation in a traditional market.
Re:Can the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken?
by lotsofpulp on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @08:34PM
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Interesting, I did not know that! It’s always worked instantly for me, even got a few thousand dollar transfers.
Re:Can the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken?
by brewdad on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @10:22PM
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My credit union has a $250 per day cap and $500 per week. It really limits Zelle's usefulness.
Re:Can the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken?
by jalk on Thursday August 18, 2022 @01:50AM
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Bank of America limits: $2500/d, $10.000/7d $20.000/30d
https://www.bankofamerica.com/online-banking/zelle-transfer-...
ADDENDUM: The official marketing page for Zelle at https://www.zellepay.com/faq/how-long-does-it-take-receive-m... has this to say about transaction speed:
> Money sent with Zelle® is typically available to an enrolled recipient within minutes.
> If it has been more than three days, we recommend confirming that you have fully enrolled your Zelle® profile, and that you entered the correct email address or U.S. mobile number and provided this to the sender.
Note the weasel word "typically" in the first sentence. If all Zelle transactions went through Visa, all such transactions would be instant and they wouldn't have the need to add the word "typically" in the first place.
The second paragraph asks you to wait three days. That's basically the Zelle fallback path when it uses ACH under the hood.
ADDENDUM 2: This HN conversation really piqued my interest and did more research. So apparently Zelle now uses one of three different networks. According to https://www.americanbanker.com/payments/news/how-the-clearin... :
> The Zelle P2P service currently uses two separate rails to settle payments, depending on the particular transaction, including the ACH network and the two debit card networks: Visa Direct and Mastercard Send. By adding the RTP network, Early Warning will be able to reduce its reliance on ACH, which can at times take days to settle and is operated only in batch mode during business hours.