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Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by defterGoose on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:01PM (#32489537)
I don't even want to think about how much surface area you'd need for solar panels intended to replace 6 megawatt-scale nuclear reactors, but I'm guessing football fields is the wrong unit to use...

Last time I checked, land wasn't cheap and they weren't making any more of it.

Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by usrusr on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:31PM (#32489836)
Regarding land use, just yesterday I was pondering about what technology it would take to create survivable off shore solar. Some loose grid of floating collectors happily bouncing on the waves like a flock of resting seabirds, perhaps cleverly reeling in and out link and anchor lines to match the geometry of the waves? Or just the right amount of springyness, dynamically tuned to the wave situation?

Then it occurred to me that even nature hasn't really solved ocean surface plants, what could be a more clear indicator that it's a really hard problem...

Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by ncmncm on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @07:40AM (#32494907)
We have plenty of calm freshwater sites for solar, so there will be no need for ocean solar.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by adgjlsfhk1 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:08PM (#32489594)
Land isn't cheap, but there's a lot of land that can have a solar panel on top of it without causing problems. A good place to start is every building roof.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by pfdietz on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:21PM (#32491157)
Land is, in fact, cheap in very many places. If one were making fuel with the solar energy you wouldn't put the solar in places where land was expensive, since the fuel would be highly transportable.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by incrudible on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:13PM (#32489654)
> I don't even want to think about...

I'd call that an argument from laziness.

> Last time I checked, land wasn't cheap and they weren't making any more of it.

Land that is remote, not fertile and that doesn't harbor any natural resources is actually rather cheap. Moreover, "they" are making more land in certain coastal areas where land is expensive.

Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by adrianN on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @02:36AM (#32493015)
(I assume you mean GW not MW, because MW is very little for a proper power plant). Solar panels produce about 200Wp/sqm. In Germany they average to about 12% of peak production over a year, so say 22W/sqm averaged. 6GW continuous is then about 51k football fields[1]. I assume that the US has lots of land that is much sunnier than Germany, so you can probably get away with fewer football fields.

[1] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%286GW%2F%2820W+per+squ...

Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by Kon5ole on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:31PM (#32489841)
The correct unit to use is parking lots. If you base this unit on the current area used for parking in the USA, you can even use centi-parkinglots ;-)
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by pfdietz on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:21PM (#32491153)
Yes, you didn't think about how much surface area, since if you did you'd realize it wasn't a big problem.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by guiomie on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:05PM (#32490700)
SF Reservoir has 12 football fields worth of solar panels and generates 4.5 megawatts.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by kaiwen1 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @10:25PM (#32491592)
It generates zero megawatts far more often than 4.5 megawatts. 4.5 is peak on the best days. 0 is assured for several hours every day.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by guiomie on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @01:54PM (#32499576)
Thanks for added details. I was wondering if this project was efficient considering the amount of "fog" in this area.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by bluGill on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:23PM (#32490826)
When algee biofuels were first proposed someone calculated that Arizona could produce all the fuel we use on currently unused land.

The limit is our ability to scale algee, but the lab results also show that the numbers are right.

Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by immmmmm on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:04PM (#32489565)
yeah and there's crop failure coming decades in advance compared to IPCC's predictions, so better not using crop space.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by pwinnski on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @07:04PM (#32490162)
Some of that crop failure is due to heat, which could be mitigated by using solar panels to provide shade. That doesn't work for all crops, some of which require direct sun, but it works for more than I expected.
Re:Prometheus: Fuel from the Air by ncmncm on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @07:44AM (#32494937)
No crops require 100% direct sun.

Maize and wheat yield is reduced a bit, without, but the year-round revenue from solar panels easily exceeds the difference.