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Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing?

I’m asking this out of curiosity, not cynicism. Considering it’s open source, can Google really blacklist websites? It’s not like Microsoft Windows where we have no idea what they’re doing.

How does this affect any company outside of the other two rivals not being able to play catch up?

( 14 comments | 4 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by tannhaeuser on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:19PM (#32489720)
It's bad that something invented as a standard for dead-easy self-publishing has been usurped and perverted into animated TV and app delivery. And having the player app (the browser) and the content coming from the same party is a bad result, too, considering how much public money and community work went into the web. We had proprietary nets and bogus media and protocol standards with CompuServe, AOL, and others already - we didn't need a 20+ years detour to arrive again at square zero with monopolistic middle men.
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by pipeline_peak on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:19PM (#32490801)
Well put, I forget how much Google actually owns. Microsoft had an OS, AOL had ISP, but Google has The Internet and a good portion of phones.
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by coffeeling on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:38PM (#32498575)
"good portion" is putting it mildly - according to statcounter the worldwide mobile OS share is about 70-30 in favour of Google, with Japan being one of the only markets where there's more Apple devices than Google ones.
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by pipeline_peak on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @04:23PM (#32501249)
I've been reading tech news for quite a while, I've heard bad things about Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, and Tesla, but I rarely hear anything bad about Google.

I bet some of that is caused by their prevention.

Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by ikeserbestian on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @08:32AM (#32495396)
Open source is gimmick when topic is a project like Chromium; it's a monolithic ecosystem contains too much hurdle to tame using it as an independent product for independent developer(s) and/or communities. Reflects mostly Google's vision on web, not users' or independent entities.

Arc, Brave, Edge, Vivaldi or any other Chromium-based project can't really make a difference on the web yet, big thanks to the Chromium codebase; changing mostly visual bits, adding some cryptoish features, built-in adblocker, more hooks to system for usage analysis, etc. Even still, too many things going to the Google's services, maybe because of addons or phishing protection.

I don't know if it's some kind of "if it works, don't fix it" and/or "don't reinvent the wheel" thinking but that's for sure web and users pays the price not the companies.

I think similar things for Android, Firefox, Windows and Linux. They're dominating their positions and holding their territories at all hazards and sometimes this defence means destruction of alternatives, without regard to qualifications and qualities.

This is a bad thing for me.

Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by bediger4000 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:41PM (#32489346)
Puts too much power in Google's hands. Maybe not in terms of blacklisting, but certainly in terms of setting standards. What's good for a single giant megacorp is not necessarily good for other megacorps, or medium or small businesses.
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by pipeline_peak on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:45PM (#32489393)
All I see is they’re pushing the envelop past what Mozilla and Apple can keep up with. How does this directly affect medium to small business?
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by bediger4000 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:21PM (#32489729)
Who knows? I'm not Alphabet CEO or even upper management. Anywhere.

I do know that questions like yours were common when MSFT made IE 6.0. We all know that ultimately was a disaster. Give Google a year or two of "not directly affecting" other businesses and then get back to me

Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by demygale on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:55PM (#32490070)
Chrome saved us from an abysmal browser market and endless websites that said “best viewed in Internet Explorer 6”.

Support ticket from Carvana yesterday told me to try chrome if I was experiencing problems. An open web won’t stay open for long if there’s a browser monopoly.

Do you think Google would try to crush competition the way MS did with their browser?

Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by bediger4000 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @07:00PM (#32490124)
Without hesitation.
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by pipeline_peak on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @07:06PM (#32490186)
Why wouldn’t they?
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by demygale on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @07:32PM (#32490435)
Yes. Sorry that was vague. Chrome dominance is bad for the open web and Google is a bad actor in every space they inhabit. Web devs who code for chrome are as bad as those who coded for ie 6 before chrome.
Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by bediger4000 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:24PM (#32491175)
Absolutely not the point, don't be dense.

Public corporations do things in their own interests. USA legal environment guarantees that. Google has been a decent actor in the past, but have slid into monopolizing ad sales and into surveillance capitalism.

Google will use a Chrome market dominance to warp standards for their own purposes. You personally may or may not like the warping or the results.

Re:Ask HN: Why exactly is Chromium dominance such a bad thing? by nicbou on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @04:17AM (#32493706)
Google might end up creating features for its own benefit, or moving standards faster than other companies can keep up with, ensuring that only they can serve the modern web.