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Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by pc86 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:17PM (#32488276)
Maybe most in large urban areas, but everywhere else 99.9% of delivery is happening in an automobile.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by TremendousJudge on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:26PM (#32488404)
This is a very US-centric view. In most of the world, poor people (who are delivery drivers) don't own cars.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by Mo3 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:19PM (#32488303)
Here in NL 99.9% of delivery is not happening by automobile haha
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:21PM (#32488326)
There’s also fuck all food deliveries happening outside urban areas.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by swarnie on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:30PM (#32488465)
What are you classing as "urban" ?

My town has just under 120k people and the majority of deliveries are done by car.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:33PM (#32488504)
Wow, breaking news! Americans refuse to drive two wheeled vehicles for no particular reason!

Truly, a shocking new development.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by CyberDildonics on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:37PM (#32488567)
Maybe you should consider weather, families and highways.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:38PM (#32488584)
Yes, because they don’t have weather or families in London.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by CyberDildonics on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:46PM (#32489404)
They also have public transportation so you can get by without a car and have a scooter for when it works. In the US most people need a car anyway so they have it already and anything with two wheels is there for fun and not neccesity.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:07PM (#32489592)
So, what you’re saying is that two wheeled vehicles are equally unnecessary in both contexts?
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by CyberDildonics on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @07:49PM (#32490577)
I have no idea how you got there from what I said.

You said "americans avoid two wheeled vehicles for no reason".

They have cars anyway so they use them.

The reason they need cars is because it gets cold, there are highways that go fast and it's dangerous and illegal to take young kids or more than one kid on a scooter. This is not complicated.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:40PM (#32491290)
All of those things are true in Europe too.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by CyberDildonics on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @10:14PM (#32491518)
Nope. Car ownership is much higher in the US and Canada, especially compared to big cities where there would be delivery.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by yakshaving_jgt on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:59PM (#32488846)
You should go on holiday in Vietnam and see how entire families ride on a single scooter, on the highway, in weather.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by CyberDildonics on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:40PM (#32489336)
I've lived in Vietnam for multiple years and drove scooters around all the time. That doesn't have anything to do with the claim that "americans avoid two wheel vehicles for no reason".

Also the honda scoopy and yamaha scooters are 115cc and can't get up to american highway speeds. In Thailand it isn't even legal to drive scooters or even motorcycles on their highways.

Maybe you should go on holiday to Vietnam in the winter, you might realize there is no snow in Vietnam.

Americans usually need a car anyway so they already have one.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by yakshaving_jgt on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:50PM (#32489450)
> That doesn't have anything to do with the claim that "americans avoid two wheel vehicles for no reason".

It has everything to do with your refutation of that claim, however.

My actual implicit claim is that there appears to be a degree of truth in the idea that US residents have a cultural aversion to two-wheeled transport that extends beyond the justifications you proffered to dismiss the claim.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by CyberDildonics on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:09PM (#32489613)
appears to be a degree of truth in the idea that US residents have a cultural aversion to two-wheeled transport

No there isn't. People have jobs to go to and there isn't much public transportation, it gets cold, snows and people need to use the highways. People need to have a car so they already have a car and that's why scooters are usually something people buy for fun and not neccesity.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by BuyMyBitcoins on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:37PM (#32489298)
That sounds extremely dangerous. Sure it’s do-able and normalized for them, but I don’t want to expect that sort of thing where I live because it is now trendy to hate everything about cars.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by yakshaving_jgt on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:45PM (#32489387)
It is extremely dangerous. But there surely must be a middle ground between cultural norms in USA and Vietnam.

People in developed economies shouldn't be carrying around sofas on the backs of mopeds as they do in Vietnam, but it should be reasonable enough to deliver a pizza on one where the weather allows in the USA.

FWIW: I'm very much a car guy.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:47PM (#32489411)
Indeed, nobody is carrying their family on a scooter in London, but at the same time pretty much nobody is delivering food with a car either.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by spywaregorilla on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:25PM (#32488387)
Not true at all. It's stupid expensive in most suburbs but its definitely there.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by maxerickson on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @06:49AM (#32494556)
Suburbs are urban.

The 'sub' is a reference to the proximity to the (likely denser) city, not a step between urban and rural.

So for instance, the small town I live in is also considered urban (but is located in a rural county).

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:27PM (#32488412)
Yeah, it’s true. The amount of restaurants and amount of deliveries they make to suburbs is negligible when compared with urban areas.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by spywaregorilla on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:02PM (#32488871)
That is a very different claim
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:05PM (#32488916)
No it’s not. It’s exactly the same claim. “fuck all” means nothing or very little, in this context it’s obviously “very little”.

In any case, we’re discussing the sustainability of delivery services. Most of the world lives in cities, it really doesn’t matter if they’re unsustainable in rural areas.

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by spywaregorilla on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:20PM (#32489102)
you changed your claim again. Suburbs app delivery is negligible compared to urban, but its still pretty hot. My area has farms but you can still see delivery pickups running constantly at popular restaurants.
Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by prvit on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:28PM (#32489193)
Go on, explain how and where I changed my claim.

While you’re at it, maybe also explain how this has anything to do with the subject at hand?

Re:A pizzeria owner made money buying his own $24 pizzas fro... by spywaregorilla on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:56PM (#32489504)
(x < urban) != (x <= small)