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Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by johnklos on Sunday August 14, 2022 @06:09PM (#32463472)
First, Apple doesn't show ads anywhere in the OS. If you're talking about ads served in web pages, that's another thing.

The only Linux phone I know of that's actually purchasable for humanly reasonable amounts of money is the PinePhone. Everything else I've seen is yet another Android, and Android is tied to Google.

Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by goosedragons on Sunday August 14, 2022 @06:21PM (#32463591)
Is the App Store part of the OS or not? The News app? All those your running out of iCloud storage messages? Or the Music app "helpfully" reminding you that Apple Music exists and you should totally try the free trial?
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by johnklos on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:09PM (#32471477)
If I use Apple apps, I might expect to be offered subscriptions, but I don't use the News app, I don't run out of iCloud storage, I've never seen the Music app mention Apple Music (except maybe the first time I launched it, but if it did, it was super easy to skip).

You're right about the app store, but I don't visit that regularly. OTOH, Google and Amazon have conditioned me to ignore anything that's "promoted" or similar.

Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by dotcoma on Sunday August 14, 2022 @06:13PM (#32463517)
Two French Android-based operating systems worth looking into are /e/ (e.foundation) and iodé (iode.tech)
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by anner_ on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:09AM (#32466090)
I've been very happy running GrapheneOS on a pixel 6. It's based on AOSP (android) but includes no Google software.

App compatibility is good, with some apps not showing notifications without installing Google Play Services (which Graphene allows to run sandboxed like other apps). Ive been running without play services

Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by xchaotic on Sunday August 14, 2022 @06:15PM (#32463535)
I think rather than looking for a Linux flavour you want to look at various companies business models and size to see if it can sustain the ongoing cost of releasing and supporting a phone, OS, security patches etc. So far, Apple still has a pretty low % of revenue coming from ads.
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by pengo on Monday August 15, 2022 @03:59PM (#32474619)
The PinePhone (and the PinePhone Pro) are close to daily driver status, but I'll also make a plug for SailfishOS.

I've been using SailfishOS on my Sony XA2+ for nearly three years and it's brilliant. Using the licensed version, I can also run Android apps as long as they're not dependent on Google services, although I prefer the UX of the native SailfishOS apps.

Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by josephcsible on Sunday August 14, 2022 @07:45PM (#32464264)
If you don't count Android as being Linux, then your choices are basically either the Librem 5 or the PinePhone.
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:00AM (#32465747)
While quality is extremely variable, postmarketOS does support a variety of phones that shipped with Android: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by kaba0 on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:23AM (#32466154)
Only GrapheneOS is safe by today standards though. It is a shame that we are okay with the current security of linux on the desktop, but I very much don’t want that on my phone which arguably contains even more sensitive and personal data.
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:59AM (#32466327)
I feel like that's moving the goal posts; OP asked for Linux phones (which I assume means the desktop-ish kind), so this is an answer.

Also, it really depends on your threat model; the place where Android and iOS shine is mitigating untrusted apps, but ex. my pinephone doesn't have any untrusted apps, so a lockscreen and at-rest data encryption is fine for the threats I care about[0]. And if you really must run untrusted software, there's always flatpak et al.

[0] Actually, my pinephone isn't a daily driver and doesn't have even enough sensitive material for me to bother with encryption, but that seems a bit much to expect in general.

Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by kaba0 on Monday August 15, 2022 @02:33AM (#32466504)
A rogue bash install script can encrypt your whole home directory for you without any way to revert. Flatpak is not a strong sandbox also.

For all the shit android gets, it does have good security built on top of linux and open-source tools (selinux, every app runs as another user so that the kernel’s built in access control is actually useful, etc)

Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday August 15, 2022 @02:42AM (#32466552)
Yes, I suggest avoiding running rouge bash scripts on your phone.
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by kaba0 on Monday August 15, 2022 @02:58AM (#32466649)
I meant even installing through the package manager. They could include malware, even though those are really rare.
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:54AM (#32471284)
> They could include malware, even though those are really rare.

Yes, if the distro is shipping malware we're going to have trouble. How many times has that happened? For all time, in any distro, ever?

Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:01AM (#32465753)
Does it need to be GNU/Linux, or would you accept non-Google Android? Because if you're willing to make the sacrifices to do GNU/Linux on a phone, LineageOS without gapps is probably an option.
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by beermonster on Sunday August 14, 2022 @06:04PM (#32463420)
What ads ?
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by gruez on Sunday August 14, 2022 @06:09PM (#32463471)
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by __jambo on Sunday August 14, 2022 @07:18PM (#32464084)
confirmed
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by verdverm on Sunday August 14, 2022 @05:47PM (#32463274)
This will probably sound counter intuitive, but my Pixel on Google Fi has the least bloatware and fewest ads I've known on a phone. The alternatives all seem like a downgrade in hardware or UX. I put up with lower quality coverage, but for the most part it doesn't matter because it uses wifi 99% of the time.
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by yuppie_scum on Sunday August 14, 2022 @05:36PM (#32463176)
Adding ads where?
Re:Given Apple's behaviour adding ads, what are the best Lin... by phedoreanu on Monday August 15, 2022 @06:30AM (#32467948)