Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than internal combustion

Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by Schroedingersat on Sunday August 14, 2022 @10:50AM (#32459716)

Local air pollution of newish cars is primarily from tyres and brakes, as is the effect of vehicles on waterways. What is from burning is mostly trucks (which are better replaced with trains for about 70% of use cases in a sanely designed area). An EV with decent range will also take until well after it is bricked by a remote software update to break even with keeping a small capacity hatchback running.

Producing an EV and building and maintaining car infrastructure uses massive amounts of fossil fuels and entails horrifically destructive mining of large quantities of rare elements such as cobalt and niobium.

All for the end result of wasting vast amounts of time, space, and tax money in any urban area to force a suburban lifestyle that is even more destructive, economically unsustainable, and wasteful.

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Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by ZeroGravitas on Sunday August 14, 2022 @11:12AM (#32459910)

EVs are much more efficient than ICE.

If you want to disincentivise congestion, or car accidents, or road wear, or suburban sprawl fine.

But don't just spout climate change denier talking points about EVs.

EV busses are a hot trend right now, they make public transport cheaper, safer and greener.

Do you really want people to believe that they are environmentally worse than the ICE vehicles they are replacing? What about urban delivery trucks going EV? How does spreading that fiction help?

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Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by Schroedingersat on Sunday August 14, 2022 @07:47PM (#32464274)

Battery busses are much worse than trolley busses or rail. They're also significantly more expensive than all other options.

Their only upside is nimbys might let you have a transit system if you suggest them.

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Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by landemva on Sunday August 14, 2022 @01:35PM (#32461160)

Are there any studies to back that claim the EV busses make public transport safer?

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Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by ZeroGravitas on Sunday August 14, 2022 @02:26PM (#32461600)

Yes, it's mostly air pollution from the engine and braking that is reduced:

https://www.transportenvironment.org/wp-content/uploads/2021...

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Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by landemva on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:18AM (#32465847)

Oh, so the busses are not safer in terms of collisions or pedestrian fatalities.

How do you account for dangers of battery production and disposal? Are injured EMTs and mechanics, due to high voltages, also considered? How do you account for pollution of installing upgraded transformers and lines to the bus depot for charging batteries?

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Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by Schroedingersat on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @10:36AM (#32483291)

To be fair, a sanely designed bus system (ie. RBT or busses that aren't useless because they're stuck behind a car) is just is safe as light rail...but then you can just build light rail because it's cheaper.

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Re:Electric vehicles are way more energy-efficient than inte... by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 15, 2022 @04:23AM (#32467108)

I usually expect the people doing Lifecycle Cost Analysis to think of these things and quantify them.

Have they all missed these deaths that you've uncovered? Enough death and destruction to overwhelm the well studied impacts of air pollution?

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