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Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by mxkopy on Saturday August 13, 2022 @05:04PM (#32453781)
This is a normative fallacy. If people die because they didn't get healthcare, that doesn't mean they didn't deserve healthcare. I'd argue that everyone who needs a liver (which is not the same as a liver transplant) has the right to one.

> but they fact that you need them to survive doesn't define them as such

Isn't that basically saying that surviving needn't be in a definition of 'human right'?

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Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by RHSeeger on Saturday August 13, 2022 @08:54PM (#32455259)
> Isn't that basically saying that surviving needn't be in a definition of 'human right'?

Yes, because "surviving" isn't a human right. It's something we, as a society, should do our best to make sure everyone is able to do, but that's not the same as saying it's a human right. If it was, then "not having a heart attack" would be a human right, which is clearly ridiculous.

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Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by mxkopy on Sunday August 14, 2022 @03:04AM (#32457122)
Not so clear to me. If some company flooded a river with heart attack inducing chemicals, would you say that's fine because not having heart attacks isn't a human right?

I'll put it to you like this. If you believe there is a human right, then someone can't pursue it if they're dead. So if, in order to pursue that right, they need to pursue being alive, the pursuit of being alive falls within that right, no?

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