News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by badrabbit on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:09AM (#32450040)
Unethical? Should be disallowed period. I do strongly believe that once a propery is yours what you do with it is your concern and nobody else's. However, the business practice of purchasing properties to profit from selling it again in the future should not be allowed. So, what should happen is the government should not allow the transfer of ownership when the seller has a) multiple properties and b) is selling a propery for more than 3% (inflation adjusted) of the intial purchase value. I am all for living in a house and selling it at a ridiculous profit though so long as that is your only property.

With the exception of employee housing, any non-individual entity including agents of corporations should not be allowed to purchase even one residential property.

With the exception of diplomats, foreign citizens should not be allowed to purchase more than one property.

These laws should be applied in any developed country.

This is one of the reasons they wanted corporations to have rights as a person, because in regular reasoning a corporation owning houses, making speeches and donating to parties makes no sense as their activity and existence is entirely in the sphere of privileges not rights.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by saddlerustle on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:13AM (#32450075)
If companies can't own houses, and people can't own more than their primary residence, where should renters live?
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by badrabbit on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:18AM (#32450130)
People can own multiple residencies, they just can't sell them at more than 3-5% profit. Corporations can't own residencial buildings if they are single family units but for multi-family properties, so long as it is being offered as rent/lease/purchase that should of course be allowed. I was focusing more on single family units but you are right to highlight that.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by UncleEntity on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:43AM (#32450370)
That would seriously restrict supply because once people bought a house with the intention of renting it out they would never sell due to the price control. Just like an entailment, this property can never leave the family line.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by badrabbit on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:47AM (#32450419)
Supply should come from new housing right? People selling their house to move to another house is a transfer of propery not generating supply.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by saddlerustle on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:25AM (#32450201)
Plenty of people rent single family units.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by badrabbit on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:29AM (#32450241)
Yes, and that should be allowed so long as the landlord is an individual.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by at_a_remove on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:45AM (#32450392)
You've got this wrong because you're thinking about stable states, not state transitions.

1) "Multiple" here is wrong. What is the time when you own two houses? Well, when you're moving! You buy one, then you sell the other. During that time, you own two houses. That's multiple. Study the hermit crab.

2) Your three percent cap means that property renovation, repair, expansion, and so on is completely doomed. Why didn't you think of that?

This stuff is complex. It requires some careful, thoughtful approaches.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by badrabbit on Saturday August 13, 2022 @04:39PM (#32453575)
Like i said in other comments renovation and flipping can be done without owning as a service. It would be just like it is now with flippers paying the seller but not getting ownership at all.

You want to sell your house and it has 200k valuation? A flipper will give you 200k so you can buy another house, renovate without owning it and then at sell for say 250k and the benefit to the seller would be splitting the 50k with the renovator with whatever percentage they agree on. The key difference being the flipper now has an incentive to sell soon instead of wait years until the house costs say 500k because the original seller wants his cut soon so they can move on.

Flippers will not be doomed but flipping will be less profitable than it is now unless you do it at scale of course.

For your first point is it not obvious I meant at the time you place the house on market you if you owned multiple houses?

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by hideo on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:54AM (#32450484)
> This stuff is complex. It requires some careful, thoughtful approaches.

Is this comment allowed on the internet?

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by BlargMcLarg on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:50AM (#32450447)
>I do strongly believe that once a propery is yours what you do with it is your concern and nobody else's

Not enough. That's how you get a voter base which pushes for plans which make properties more expensive, deprioritizes building and depending on other variables, causes population growth while telling the next generations to just deal with the smaller piece of the pie they have to share with a bigger population than before. That mentality effectively means you're dependent on home owners as a whole to care enough about others to prioritize their needs. Historically, this hasn't been true for almost a century in the majority of the developed world.

That's also why this problem is so difficult to tackle. We don't have a critical mass of individuals democratically yet, nor a critical mass willing to cause enough damage to make voters care. And the majority of politicians do not care enough about the long term consequences (or alternatively, realize caring about the long term consequences won't win them votes).

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by carom on Saturday August 13, 2022 @01:15PM (#32451819)
>b) is selling a propery for more than 3% (inflation adjusted) of the intial purchase value

This makes it more profitable to sit and collect rent than to sell. Property will never change hands. I hope the current owner knows how to build.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by badrabbit on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:35PM (#32455526)
Except for new homes right? So what if property never changes hands so long as new housing can accomodate population growth? Also, people sell when they move so there is that
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by DAVer98 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:48AM (#32450434)
You are all for the things that can profit you i guess would be the gist of it. Let me guess you're a family man with spawn as well and these are all you care about.