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Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by ramesh31 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:57AM (#32449918)
>I definitely do. It's something that turns a basic necessity into a speculative asset, with a price distorted by the money poured into it

The 30 year mortgage is one of the greatest inventions in the history of mankind. Being able to swing hundreds of thousands of dollars of margin on a near-zero-down investment that requires nothing more than proof of income and has a manageable monthly payment is the single most powerful financial tool available to the vast majority of people.

That kind of leverage is only possible with the commodification and securitization of real estate. It’s not a perfect system, but it has led to intergenerational family wealth accumulation among the common population more than anything else before.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by unlikelymordant on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:08AM (#32450019)
I disagree somewhat. I think the 30 year mortgage has pushed prices up much higher than they would have been, because of the leverage, and people only look at the monthly repayment. The fact that it has led to intergenerational wealth (among the rich who can afford houses) is a direct side effect of the fact that houses are so expensive. It seems like saying it has generated wealth is begging the question.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by jackcosgrove on Saturday August 13, 2022 @12:39PM (#32451477)
Canada has shorter mortgage terms that require multiple mortgages to pay off a house at different times, transferring interest rate risk to the buyer. Canada also has higher house prices than the US. Mortgage term length may contribute to price growth to some extent, but I think the supply of and demand for housing swamp any effects of financing.

Being able to lock in a low interest rate for thirty years, the probable lifetime of the amortization period, is very advantageous. Combine this with a lack of a prepayment penalty and American mortgage holders get a great deal.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone else feels the commoditization of real est... by ghaff on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:17AM (#32450113)
>people only look at the monthly repayment

That's somewhat understandable given that the alternative is pretty much writing a monthly rent check. In that respect, it's a bit different to my mind than an auto loan. (Maybe if you compare it to a lease.)

If you didn't have 30 year fixed mortgages in the US, property values might indeed drop somewhat. But it would mostly advantage people who had access to other capital. People who can't afford houses in expensive areas now mostly still wouldn't be able to.