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Re:Hetzner Price Adjustment by highwaylights on Thursday August 11, 2022 @11:33AM (#32427295)
My thinking on this is that if you don't need to pack the energy storage into a small volume (like in a vehicle), and if weight is less critically important (as it'll occupy space in e.g. a garage), it opens up a lot more options for storage medium (as an example, iron-flow packs).

At scale the costs could come down quite substantially given that the basic chemistry is iron, salt, water and little else - at which point it's a substantial financial boon to the customer given that they could see an up to 50% reduction in their energy costs (going by tariffs in my own region) to compensate.

Re:Hetzner Price Adjustment by aembleton on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:49PM (#32428509)
Couldn't the grid install these somewhere for less than every home doing their own installation?

The net effect would be the same but might be cheaper overall.

Re:Hetzner Price Adjustment by freemint on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:38PM (#32429230)
It could and it might even be more efficient. That doesn't mean home installation is not a huge market though. It also has access to different capital.
Re:Hetzner Price Adjustment by highwaylights on Friday August 12, 2022 @07:25AM (#32436884)
> It also has access to different capital

This is what I think the real benefit is, and also why I think we'll see both. I don't see the political will or financial commitment materialising for large scale energy storage in the short term because it's an upfront cost to a taxpayer whichever way you slice it.

Individuals are free to self-fund their own battery pack installations though, and can then decide if the upfront cost is worth the reduction in rates to shift energy usage to non-peak times. Once that sufficiently takes off it becomes easier to sell the public at large on the idea, and will also drive down costs, at which point I could see wide-scale grid storage becoming thing. At that point, renewables are scalable to almost 100% of energy usage (assuming vehicles and industry transition away from combustion machinery).

Re:Hetzner Price Adjustment by joss82 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:56PM (#32428621)
My point exactly.

Iron flow sounds great though. Thanks for mentioning, I'll look into it.