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Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by qeternity on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:36AM (#32426349)
How on earth is this related to consumer protection? It's not as if they are forcing this retroactively. They're just increasing the price for a car by $1500 and including more functionality.

They are a free enterprise that can offer whichever products at whatever prices they want. And consumers are free to vote with their wallets.

Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by delecti on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:42AM (#32426449)
> They're just increasing the price for a car by $1500 and including more functionality

From TFA, they're advertising the vehicle's MSRP without the extra $1500 cost, and that extra $1500 is not optional when you go to actually buy one.

Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by qeternity on Thursday August 11, 2022 @07:57PM (#32433281)
No from TFA they’re breaking it out as a separate line item. We can debate that all you like, but it’s not as if they’re just lying about the cost, or charging people more after the fact.

When you go to sign the dotted line, the price includes this charge. If you don’t like it, don’t sign.

Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by pibechorro on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:50AM (#32426598)
Its frightening how many people think we need the government to regulate the most minute details of everything. Vote with your dollar, period, that is the only way the right feedback gets to the right issues.
Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by gangstead on Thursday August 11, 2022 @11:17AM (#32427032)
It's hard to vote with your dollar if the company can lie to you about the price. Sure in this case you'll find out the actual cost eventually but at a point where changing your vote is much harder (maybe a deposit has already been collected, credit check run, the other car you were considering has been sold etc)
Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by qeternity on Thursday August 11, 2022 @07:59PM (#32433294)
So are they lying or will you eventually find out the cost?

Buying a car is not the hardest feat by any stretch imaginable. If you’ve put down a deposit, you will have seen the all in cost. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by gangstead on Thursday August 11, 2022 @11:18PM (#32434388)
> So are they lying or will you eventually find out the cost?

Yes.

This is the kind of deception that starts early on in the process to get you to narrow down your car selection by deceiving you on the actual price of the car.

> Buying a car is not the hardest feat by any stretch imaginable. If you’ve put down a deposit, you will have seen the all in cost. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

It's not hard, but it's definitely not pleasant, and the the auto makers and dealers can do some slimy practices. The parent comment I was replying to seemed to conflate auto makers should not be allowed to advertise an inaccurate MSRP with over-regulation. Also you are not 100% correct about deposits, just ask Bronco reservation holders who put down deposits with dealers for reservations, that later got turned into orders, that when the car arrived had thousands of dollars of surprise "ADM" (Additional Dealer Markup in Ford lingo) added to the buy sheet.

Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by kalleboo on Friday August 12, 2022 @09:04AM (#32437938)
"The price shown should be the price paid" is not a "minute detail" it's like the fundamental basis of advertising.

What's frightening is how many people believe in the myth of the free market of rational consumers.

Re:GM makes $1,500 subscription mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cad... by SantalBlush on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:37PM (#32434193)
Rent seeking happens precisely because voting with your dollar doesn't work well. "Vote with your dollar" is a platitude based on an oversimplified model of the economy.