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Re:The Case for Degrowth by coldtea on Thursday August 11, 2022 @04:15AM (#32422904)
>There is an obvious way out. Increase immigration. The US does this well. Why doesn't Japan? Because of racism and xenophobia.

Because the US was created as a ragtag coalition of immigrants from all kinds of countries. Their whole shtick is based on being a melting pot. Japan is a much more ethnically homogenous nation.

Besides, this coming of immigrants didn't work so well for the natives in the US (the native Americans that is).

>No one talks about it (wouldn't be surprised if I got downvoted for mentioning it) but Japan is mad racist. They do not like foreigners.

Well, if they thought like that for my country, I wouldn't like them either.

"Not liking" people coming over is not the same as being racist, any more than a tribe in the Amazon not liking tourists or Americans/Europeans coming over to live with them would be "racist". They want to maintain their way of life, and that's up to them.

Besides, cultures which had seggregation up until the 60s, have a huge majority of blacks in jail even today, and routinely have cops kill them unarmed, shouldn't throw stones.

Re:The Case for Degrowth by sokoloff on Thursday August 11, 2022 @04:30AM (#32423008)
In what sense does the US “have a huge majority of blacks in jail”? This initially seemed hyperbolic and when I looked quickly at the numbers, it still seems hyperbolic.
Re:The Case for Degrowth by pegasus on Thursday August 11, 2022 @04:57AM (#32423186)
The numbers are not as bad as GP implies, but still quite bad:

In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners. And while Hispanics represented 16% of the adult population, they accounted for 23% of inmates.

Another way of considering racial and ethnic differences in the nation’s prison population is by looking at the imprisonment rate, which tallies the number of prisoners per 100,000 people. In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-g...

Re:The Case for Degrowth by coldtea on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:42AM (#32426456)
Not as in a huge majority of black population in jail.

As in, a huge majority of blacks in jails (jail population being disproportionally black).

Blacks are about 40% of the jail population and 14% of the general population.

Even if this is because blacks indeed commit more crimes, this points to the conditions blacks are forced to live (discrimination, poorly funded school districts, redlining, trouble getting loans, etc.) that force them to do so. But we also know that traditionally courts treat blacks harsher (to the point of there being special laws against blacks for most of the 20th century, from Jim Crow to seggregation laws, and of course, seemingly neutral laws used covertly with much more force against blacks, like drug laws, three strikes, and so on).

Re:The Case for Degrowth by icelancer on Thursday August 11, 2022 @04:32AM (#32423018)
> Besides, this coming of immigrants didn't work so well for the natives in the US (the native Americans that is).

It didn't for the natives of the islands they call Nippon, either.

> They want to maintain their way of life, and that's up to them.

So did the Ainu.

Re:The Case for Degrowth by coldtea on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:43AM (#32426469)
That would be a point in favor of the Japanese's attitude today, not against it.

(And Ainu had it better, despite the strong discrimination against them, than native americans and blacks in the US).

Re:The Case for Degrowth by roflyear on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:25AM (#32426132)
I have been to Japan, I know people who are Japanese, and I know people who have successfully and unsuccessfully immigrated to Japan. This is all anecdotal, but they will all laugh and tell me in private that yeah, Japanese people (especially older generations) are extremely racist.

Even the UN says Japan is racist!! https://web.archive.org/web/20070329065052/http://www.unic.o...