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Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by 999900000999 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:58AM (#32421750)
>You could be dying of cancer or have lost a child, and they will get rid of you the moment they can do so without breaking the law, and in some cases even break the law in the hopes that you’d not pursue any legal action. Nah don’t work hard, work smart, for yourself.

Amen, once upon a time I worked for a company and I didn't miss a single day for almost 3 years. Then at the moment I needed to work remote due to a family member's terminal cancer, I got oh so sorry to hear that, but by the way you f*** something up last week.

You sure you really need to work remote, can you work remote like one day a week. Are you sure, it's like terminal terminal.

Eventually they agreed to let me work remote but then they hired a replacement behind my back .

Luckily my childhood taught me not to trust people. When someone shows you who they really are, believe them. So I already had a better paying job lined up.

Hell, I nearly doubled my pay too!

Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by citizenpaul on Friday August 12, 2022 @12:16PM (#32440665)
>family member's terminal cancer

Yep, I lived this and it really woke me up. The day my dad died my boss called to ask "your going to be in tomorrow right, since you don't have to take care of him anymore"

Not to mention things like "are you sure its terminal" "Do you know what terminal means? just checking maybe you didn't understand the doctor"

To a company you are a number and nothing more,treat them the same. The people in charge got there by ruthlessly focusing on that fact. Trying to get sympathy from work is like trying to explain to a debt collector why you can't pay. They don't care at all and never will, everything you say will be used against you and they are hoping you will slip up.

Its as pointless as a mouse trying to debate a hungry cat as to why he should not eat him.

Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by Handytinge on Sunday August 14, 2022 @08:31AM (#32458711)
I don't care about my employees at all. Their family lives are meaningless to me, distracting and dull.

However I always pretend to care, always make sure they're well paid, have clear growth in development and pay, feel looked after, that they don't need to hesitate to ask if they need a cash advance or time off for an emergency, etc.

You can be ruthlessly focused and unempathetic whilst also being sympathetic and helping people love what they do. They're not mutually exclusive.

Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by 999900000999 on Friday August 12, 2022 @03:37PM (#32443004)
To be fair, I have had some compassionate employers offer me a couple of extra days of PTO after an emergency.

But this is offset by the fact that since I never took PTO, I had stopped accumulating it almost a year ago.

Something I love about remote work, is it encourages people to actually build real social circles.

I make my friends at bars, concerts, and industry meetups. I don't make work friends, I'm not trying to be buddy buddy with my manager

Because that same manager who was like. Yeah good job. You just saved the company $30,000, here's a $400 bonus

The moment something happens, like you know your dad dying, is going to tell you. If you don't get back in shape they'll have to look hiring someone else.

Work to maximize your income, try not to be mean to people at work, but you should never treat work as anything but a transaction.

Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by withinboredom on Thursday August 11, 2022 @05:55AM (#32423541)
My wife had a Big Crunch at her job so I needed to leave early every day to pick up my son instead of my wife doing it. My job gave zero fucks and wanted my butt-in-seat until 5pm. I still left 30 minutes early every day and got fired for it, but not before lining up another job. Some work places seem great, until real life hits you in the face. I wish there was some way to detect empathy of a workplace before joining, without coming across as sketchy.
Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by 999900000999 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @02:28PM (#32429838)
>Some work places seem great, until real life hits you in the face.

This goes for every type of relationship though.

Friendships, marriage, and employment.

But I'm very much a mercenary at this point, I have no loyalty to any company. I save my money, and I know I can get fired without cause at any time.

Instead of socializing at work, and having that social circle ripped from you when you get a better job.

Build your social circle via bars, concerts, and for more industry-minded people tech related meetup groups.

Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by type0 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:11AM (#32423634)
> to detect empathy of a workplace

A family business is usually a place, but you should expect that a kin selection will prevail when it comes to promotions.

Re:'Too many employees, but few work': Pichai, Zuckerberg so... by citizenpaul on Friday August 12, 2022 @12:24PM (#32440778)
A family business is worse. You will always be considered an outsider.

The idea of greater sympathy is a fallacy. You are simply closer to the people with power, they don't want to seem cruel because that drives away talented/hard workers, they have to make concessions. They don't have the resources to make people expendable yet. They don't get the luxury of having 6 layers of mgmt to shield them from being remorselessly cruel. As soon as they have those layers you will see what they really are. Ask me how I know...

You get the added bonus of some borderline mentally challenged family member will be put in a position of power. The other family members know but don't want to hurt their feelings. Then you get to be drawn into awkward family squabbles when you have to appeal to the other family members that their actions are hurting the business and need to be corrected, basically babysitting your own boss for them. Without the benefit of ever being in charge yourself.