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Re:The strength of the strong force by withinboredom on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:13AM (#32410625)
I always wonder if this "missing mass" is just light. As in it is so close to zero mass to be undetectable at a normal scale, but at galaxy scale, it actually has mass.
Re:The strength of the strong force by cjg on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:56AM (#32411121)
General Relativity has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor which is the term that generates the gravitational field. It includes the energy of photons.
Re:The strength of the strong force by zeven7 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:43AM (#32410971)
I've wondered similarly, but I don't know why it would need mass. That just complicated things. It has energy, and we have an equation that tells us how much equivalent mass that would be. It's not missing mass, it's energy that's the cause of the extra gravity.

I also assume this has been accounted for though

Re:The strength of the strong force by smeyer on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:17AM (#32410664)
How do you square your idea with the other substantial implications of photons having mass?
Re:The strength of the strong force by simiones on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:10AM (#32412252)
If photons had a very small but non-0 mass, it would simply mean that they actually move slightly slower than c, but it wouldn't otherwise have any significant implications. There are in fact experiments that are trying to check whether photons have a mass we can detect.

Also, just as a note, I'm using the term "mass" for what used to be called "rest mass" (as opposed to "relativistic mass"). Even if their "rest mass" is truly exactly 0, and their speed is exactly c, they still have energy and momentum, and thus they have mass in general relativity, but that is a different discussion.

Re:The strength of the strong force by bl0rg on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:28AM (#32410782)
Photons bend spacetime even without having mass.
Re:The strength of the strong force by zeven7 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:40AM (#32410926)
Bingo, does energy not affect spacetime the same as mass? I always assumed it did. My assumption was this was already worked into the calculations and not enough to account for dark matter.
Re:The strength of the strong force by peterpost2 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:18AM (#32410671)
Wouldn't that mean that light also has infinite energy?
Re:The strength of the strong force by squeaky-clean on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:38PM (#32416577)
This is the basis of the "ultraviolet catastrophe" and lead to the discovery of quantization of radiation. The "catastrophe" being that as classical laws for light implied a potentially unbounded amount of energy as wavelength decreased.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe

https://youtu.be/rCfPQLVzus4