The 1857 Utah War

Re:The 1857 Utah War by AnimalMuppet on Monday August 08, 2022 @03:28PM (#32389909)

There's a historical marker in Echo Canyon about this. It says, essentially, that the army was sent because they thought Utah was in rebellion, but Utah was not actually in rebellion, and therefore it was not right/legal to send the army, and therefore it was legitimate for Utah to resist the army. (It's in Utah, so no surprise, the historical marker is a Mormon-view spin on what happened.)

So, wait, let me make sure I've got this right. It's legitimate for you to fight the US army because you're not in rebellion? Um, hello? The moment you start fighting them, you're in armed rebellion!

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Re:The 1857 Utah War by daveslash on Monday August 08, 2022 @03:45PM (#32390141)

Re >> It's legitimate for you to fight the US army because you're not in rebellion?

That's right. Similar to how if a cop tries to arrest you, but you did nothing deserving of arrest, it's legitimate to resist arrest. But... uh, then oic.... /s

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Re:The 1857 Utah War by stevetodd on Monday August 08, 2022 @04:08PM (#32390396)

At the time, Utah was located in Mexican territory.

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Re:The 1857 Utah War by AnimalMuppet on Monday August 08, 2022 @04:24PM (#32390550)

At the time the Mormons arrived (1847), it was officially Mexican territory. But the US annexed it in 1848. By the time of the Utah War, it was US territory.

(BTW, the canyon by which they entered the Salt Lake Valley is Emigration Canyon. Emigration is when you leave, immigration is when you arrive. They were consciously leaving the US. They weren't really "going to Mexico", though; they were intending to form their own independent country. But a year later, the US annexed the area.)

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