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Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by cesarb on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:15PM (#32372063)
> The more common explanation was that Linux got a head start by a few years by being a clean-sheet implementation

My favorite theory for why Linux got a head start is in this (long) comment I found some time ago here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21420338

Some excerpts:

"With Linux, I just booted from a Linux boot floppy with my Linux install CD in the CD-ROM drive, and ran the installation. With BSD...it could not find the drive because I had an IDE CD-ROM and it only supported SCSI."

"It insisted on being given a disk upon which it could completely repartition. [...] Linux, on the other hand, was happy to come second after my existing DOS/Windows."

"By the time the BSD people realized they really should be supporting IDE CD-ROM and get along with prior DOS/Windows on the same disk, Linux was way ahead."

Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by toyg on Saturday August 06, 2022 @08:29PM (#32372801)
IDE was one of many hardware issues that just took too long to be solved. For a long time, BSDs didn't seriously try to support consumer-grade hardware - be it because of lack of manpower, conservative attitudes, or "commercial" choices. OpenBSD still doesn't support Bluetooth...

On the other side, the Linux community fought hard to get everything to work, creating positive loops: the more hardware it supported, the more people could get it to work on their hobby hardware, the more they'd become familiar with it and push for adoption at work.

Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by nix23 on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:13AM (#32374809)
>OpenBSD still doesn't support Bluetooth

OpenBSD supported Bluetooth but they threw out the whole stack because of security concerns. I think it's the right decision for OpenBSD.

Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by toyg on Monday August 08, 2022 @03:08AM (#32383050)
Exactly, "commercial" choice. Any OS that wants to support consumer-grade hardware, in 2022, must provide Bluetooth; OpenBSD just doesn't care enough about the consumer market to do that.
Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by nix23 on Monday August 08, 2022 @03:32AM (#32383143)
True they don't care about you, it's like you don't count...who could imagine that!!!

Quel sacrilege!!

Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by toyg on Monday August 08, 2022 @04:22AM (#32383397)
Lol, I think this comment illustrates why BSDs will forever lag, better than any technical explanation... and I say that as an OpenBSD user.
Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by nix23 on Monday August 08, 2022 @04:52AM (#32383517)
>BSDs will forever lag,

Terrible to hear that!

>and I say that as an OpenBSD user.

My condolence that you have to use that terrible anti-consumer system.

Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by toyg on Monday August 08, 2022 @06:30AM (#32383989)
I have to get an outlet for my masochism tendencies somehow, at least this doesn't leave scars - physical ones, that is.

I have to say though, my insistent trolling of the project on forums like these occasionally contributes to the push to progress - like the long-requested syspatch. I'm not sure what yours achieves.

Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by nix23 on Monday August 08, 2022 @06:51AM (#32384087)
>my insistent trolling of the project on forums like these occasionally contributes to the push to progress

You really believe that right?

Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by toyg on Monday August 08, 2022 @07:02AM (#32384150)
Almost as much as you believe this is a useful way to employ your time on the planet.
Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by nix23 on Monday August 08, 2022 @07:28AM (#32384292)
So you need Bluetooth and installed the only BSD who has no bt....sounds like a excellent use of time on this planet ;)
Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by toyg on Monday August 08, 2022 @08:42AM (#32384754)
Sorry, I finished my troll-berries for today, see you on the next OpenBSD thread!
Re:Technical reasons to choose FreeBSD over GNU/Linux (2020) by nix23 on Monday August 08, 2022 @09:07AM (#32384940)
Sorry i use freebsd...the one with zfs and bluetooth ;)