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Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by sofixa on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:10PM (#32372025)
> I don't know what the answer is

Automated enforcement? Cameras checking for speeding, red light running, etc. are trivial and already existant. That makes enforcement better, with more coverage, faster, cheaper and removes any selection bias (that looks like my friend's car, I'll not stop them to write a ticket for speeding).

Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by phpisthebest on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:21PM (#32372116)
How about a hard no to that....

>That makes enforcement better

No it does not, it has problems with constitutional issues (being able to face your accuser) and owner of the vehicle is not always the driver, and under an innocent until proven guilty system it is on the state of PROVE you were the driver, many automated systems flip this and assume the owner is the driver and if you were not you are liable until you inform the state who was the driver.

None of that should be allowed in a free society,and I am not willing to give up essential liberty for traffic safety

That is all with out going into the innumerable ways traffic systems are already abused for other purposes than just traffic enforcement

Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by peter422 on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:17PM (#32372082)
You legally can’t have cameras that give speeding tickets in California.

It’s quite annoying as they’d save so many lives because speeding is the primary factor in most accidents (and makes any accidents worse).

Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by echelon on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:15PM (#32372067)
So we can be tracked more than we already are?

A lot of people probably don't give a damn about surveillance, but think about all the future politicians who are having their entire lives recorded.

"I know where you were on August 6th. You might want to vote X unless you want everyone else to know."

The more we build, the easier it is to press further with it.

Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by peter422 on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:19PM (#32372101)
If your car is on public roads in a dense city like SF it is so easy to track already with existing infrastructure this is a moot point.
Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by echelon on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:26PM (#32372159)
Put license plate scanners everywhere and it'll be game over.

Deploy it in one city, and soon everywhere else will follow.

I don't trust those in power not to abuse this.

Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by peter422 on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:04PM (#32372393)
It already exists.
Re:45 SF traffic cops issue just 10 citations combined a day by erik_seaberg on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:40PM (#32372255)
Better enforcement gets abused for revenue. Limits get slower than the consensus speed causing lane changes. Yellow lights get shortened causing panic stops.