Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday August 06, 2022 @04:05PM
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Can you show me a robot that grows incrementally?
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by alanbernstein on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:22PM
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I can certainly imagine an electromechanical system comprised of 1) a "brain" which can grow without practical bound, exactly like data centers already do, which controls 2) a "body" which can be switched out for another at any time, to simulate physical growth. The same brain could even control multiple bodies simultaneously.
Now, I'm not going to claim this will entirely enable AGI. But the base argument of "computers can not possibly have bodies" is nonsense.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:26PM
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The argument about childhood is specifically about incremental physical transformation being entangled with cognitive development. "switching out [bodies] at any time" is not in any sense equivalent.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by l33t2328 on Saturday August 06, 2022 @04:08PM
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Do you mean in size?
Surely you don’t think changing size has much to do with what makes humans intelligent.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by wizofaus on Saturday August 06, 2022 @04:34PM
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Actually that's pretty much exactly the theory I've seen suggested a few times, Harold Klawans is a big believer for a start. He makes a good case in his books that human intelligence is very much the result of the fact that much of our brain growth occurs post-birth as our bodies increase in size, which makes us quite different from most other species. It's not just that our brains absorb knowledge as we grow into adults, but transform themselves radically in order to gain particular skills (particularly language processing).
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:25PM
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The folks who believe that a significant part of our cognitive function is rooted in our physical selves certainly believe that. There's even an entire book "Philosophy in the Flesh: The Embodied Mind and its Challenge to Western Thought" by George Lakoff & Mark Johnson that argues that not just cognition but almost all of western Philosophy is grounded in our physical manifestation.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by brianwawok on Saturday August 06, 2022 @04:06PM
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AlphaGo?
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized ...
by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday August 06, 2022 @05:25PM
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Not a robot.
> One of the leading critics was the philosopher Hubert Dreyfus, who argued that computers, who have no body, no childhood and no cultural practice, could not acquire intelligence at all.
So, I don't understand how the argument is at all credible. We have computers that do this. They are called robots. It may be the case that the best route to AGI is to put a robot through childhood. It would need an advanced enough learning framework first. All ML research is currently hashing out what that might be.