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Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by nessus42 on Monday November 14, 2011 @09:33PM (#3236715)
Yes, I know of one. I'm sure you do too.
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by 5hoom on Monday November 14, 2011 @10:51PM (#3236929)
Cuteness aside, the out of the box experience with a mac is really good. Everything is polished and there are no nag screens when you first boot up. The first experience with a new Apple device seems carefully engineered to make the owner feel almost emotionally attached to it.

Contrast this to a lot of Windows laptops where your first boot requires running the gauntlet of nagware & cruft. The device itself might be just as capable (or more), but you've already either confused or annoyed the new user and reduced the likelihood of that immediate emotional attachment.

I know there are real business reasons why the cruft gets included, but I would argue that there are far more compelling reasons to leave it out.

Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by tikhonj on Monday November 14, 2011 @11:03PM (#3236964)
The first experience with Linux, Ubuntu in particular, is also quite good. I think the reason for this is that, in most people's minds, Windows is the default; everything else has to stand out to even be considered while Windows just has to mostly work.
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by dmboyd on Monday November 14, 2011 @09:53PM (#3236778)
Yea I've heard that the Microsoft stores sell everything crapware-free, but this doesnt help me as Microsoft stores are a US only thing
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by nessus42 on Friday November 18, 2011 @04:59PM (#3253643)
Oops, I missed my chance for the proper witty response. I should have said:

   Think different.
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by nessus42 on Monday November 14, 2011 @09:57PM (#3236791)
There's a company that sells junkware-free consumer computers and also has stores in your country.
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by redthrowaway on Monday November 14, 2011 @10:00PM (#3236804)
Care to be a little less vague?
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by ericd on Monday November 14, 2011 @10:11PM (#3236837)
I think he was talking about Apple.