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Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by s1artibartfast on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:29AM (#32352487)
Even well planned Urban cities provide very different opportunities to the rural situation. You can't go casually hiking or mountain biking or camping in the afternoon after school
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by laurencerowe on Friday August 05, 2022 @05:51AM (#32353839)
Dense cities can offer this too when there's not much in the way of suburban sprawl.

One thing I miss since moving to San Francisco from the UK is now I need a car to access nature. There was something very pleasant about taking a train to the edge of the city to go on a hike and ending up at a pub for a few beers before taking the train home again.

In Oslo in the winter you'd see people with cross country skis on the metro since the forest trails at the edge of town were easily accessible.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by orwin on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:44AM (#32352583)
You absolutely can. Especially hiking (even living in Paris of all cities, you have two dozen trails you can get to by train). Mountain biking idk because I'm more of a sea guy, but i was doing a lot of river kayak after work in my previous city, and now I'm windsurfing a lot.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by jwhiles on Friday August 05, 2022 @03:59AM (#32353053)
I live in very central Berlin, and regularly go 'mountain' biking after work. You can ride from the city to endless forests in like 30 minutes in relative safety. There's also a huge amount of green space in the city itself.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by jlangenauer on Friday August 05, 2022 @05:31AM (#32353679)
I'm glad you put "mountain" in quotes, because we sure as hell don't have anything which counts as a mountain in this town - and no, that tiny hill in Humbolthain where the nazis built anti-air guns doesn't count.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by presentation on Friday August 05, 2022 @07:07PM (#32362962)
I can take a train from where I live in Tokyo and be doing any of those things within an hour.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by nl on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:54AM (#32352645)
Define "Urban city"?

I live in the center of a 1M+ city and went for a 1.5 hour bush hike 15 minutes drive from my house.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by db48x on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:33AM (#32353301)
A 12–year–old can’t drive 15 minutes out of the city after school in order to go hiking. In a rural area the fields, farms, woods, streams, ponds, and other such attractions are all right within a few minutes walking distance. Indeed, that kid probably has to bike right past all of those things in order to get to his friend’s house to play Contra. Even in a suburban area some of those things might still be reasonably close by.

When people talk about how wonderful it is to live in a dense, walkable city, they are thinking about all the nightclubs they can go to, the bars, the restaurants, art galleries, libraries, etc all within a few minute’s walk. But that’s not everyone’s vision of an ideal living environment.

Folks who move to a suburb want more stability, less noise, fewer people, more open space, nice lawns, a pool in the back yard, a deck to sit on in the summer while you watch the kids swim, etc. They don’t want a nightclub on every block. Even a convenience store would not be very well regarded (especially if it’s really a gas station that also sells candy bars; Japanese–style stores that are part of the owner’s house would actually fit much better).

I don’t know much about what folks living in very rural areas like, but some of my relatives who live in a quasi–rural area value the fact that nobody in the area mows their lawns. Instead the local farmers bring their tractors over once or twice a year to harvest the grass out of everyone’s back yards to make hay.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by kelnos on Friday August 05, 2022 @06:02AM (#32353920)
> When people talk about how wonderful it is to live in a dense, walkable city, they are thinking about all the nightclubs they can go to, the bars, the restaurants, art galleries, libraries, etc all within a few minute’s walk.

Sort of, but that's not all of it. I like that there's a corner store a half block away, and a small but well-stocked grocery two blocks away. There's a hardware store four blocks away. There's a park four blocks away, and another six blocks away. I can go for a six mile run without having to drive myself to a gym (and my partner can walk to her gym). My partner walks a couple blocks to get her nails done or hair cut. If I need to see my doctor, I walk 20 minutes to get there. Sure, I have to drive sometimes, but it's rare.

I wish there was a way to get the best of both worlds. I do have to drive to go on a hike or find a forest to wander around in. I don't feel safe cycling in many parts of my city. As I get older, I go to bars less and less, and nightclubs pretty much never. I cook at home more often. I get annoyed rather than smile knowingly if I hear a pair of happy-drunk people walking home from a bar at 2am on a Friday night when my windows are open and I'm trying to sleep. But damn, I love being able to walk everywhere to get normal everyday things done. I hate driving for simple things; it just adds so much overhead to everything.

Not trying to say dense urban living is objectively better, just trying to point out that "I like walkability" doesn't merely mean "I like bars and restaurants and clubs". I agree that my particular city might not be a great place for kids to grow up, though, frankly, I don't see many kids out and about on the occasion that I need to drive into a residential area of a suburb, so I feel like in general it's just not the same as when I was a kid in the suburbs.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by throwaway894345 on Friday August 05, 2022 @08:59AM (#32355449)
I would also like to see suburbs become more walkable and abandon the strip mall concepts. I would like to see more, smaller grocery stores and other commercial intermixed amid residential areas.

But I personally feel trapped in a dense urban environment. Going out to restaurants and bars and shows are neat experiences, but they aren’t fulfilling for me never mind the enormous expense of it all. I would rather live where I have access to nature and visit the city for its attractions on a weekend when the mood strikes. I want a house that my wife and I own and can do projects in without worrying about the condo association rules or disrupting my neighbors. I want at least a little bit of yard so my elderly dog can lay in the grass off-leash. I want less crime, a saner politics, and a local government that isn’t so dysfunctional. I really think a little bit of space is good for the soul, but I also think the American model of suburbs can be improved to get more of the benefits of urban life.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by odessacubbage on Saturday August 06, 2022 @11:02PM (#32373505)
i live in a rural one-stoplight town and all of those things are the same distance if not closer. even if i lived in an outlying suburb none would be more than 15 min away or maybe 30-45 min on a bike. 'nature' is about a 90 seconds walk from my doorstep. there certainly isn't much of a nightlife though.

it feels like the whole NIMBY/YIMBY dichotomy loses sight of the fact there are other development models besides midtown manhattan or the exurbs of tuscon.