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Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by TaylorAlexander on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @10:35PM (#32326991)
> Meat can be considered a byproduct of an immensely useful material that lasts indefinitely, has been harnessed by possibly every culture to exist and has uses that every person requires.

Meat is the flesh of sentient living beings with feelings and their own rich internal lives. Their bodies do not belong to us to strip for parts as we see fit. Though people throughout history have often eaten meat, there have also been many cultures that do not (about half of India is vegetarian for example). In the developed world, our factory farms have become brutal inhumane places of horrors with no connection to the indigenous uses of animals you reference.

> has uses that every person requires.

In the developed world it is false to say that every person requires animal products, as we surely don't. Most people can thrive on a plant based diet, no need to destroy the lives of thinking beings for their meals or shoes.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by upsidesinclude on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:24PM (#32348477)
Omnivore. This is the way it is and will be. Humans have survived due to this feature.

We are not ruminants. We don't have multiple stomachs.

Your emotions are the deciding factor in your position. I implore you to look at the animal kingdom with honesty and not a disney-washed, Blue Planet version for children.

Nature is harsh and awful. Animals often die by incredibly vicious means from predators. Gored and crushed in their jaws.

We are humane to a fault. Now people are so disconnected from the reality of nature, they expect to impose restrictions based on their emotions. I find this argumemt to be lacking substance.

The developed world you highlight is dependent on petrochemicals. Everything you have and use. Leather is one of the very few durable goods that is not.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by TaylorAlexander on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:25AM (#32351631)
Yes, animals often die by predators who have no alternative. This is the way of nature. But humans DO have alternatives. We absolutely do not need to lock up animals in cages and kill them with machines. We don't need to use them at all.

Sure, you can say compassion is an emotion. But can you really even be a part of society without compassion? To say we should be willing to enslave and kill animals because we should set our compassion aside... why? Why do you argue for a world without compassion? Yes nature is brutal. And yet we have child seats for cars because we don't expect to expose our children to random brutality. What about a pig or a cow makes you feel it deserves brutality when we will work so hard to shield one another from the same?

We don't live in the jungle. That is not the point of society. We do care for one another, and compassion drives many aspects of our society. I see no reason it should not play in to what we eat.

> We are not ruminants. We don't have multiple stomachs.

This doesn't have anything to do with veganism. Vegans don't eat grass from the ground. We don't need multiple stomachs. This is a straw man.