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Re:A looming copper crunch and why recycling can’t fix it by eru on Monday August 01, 2022 @06:48AM (#32304205)
I'm not sure why you talk about countries?

I don't think there's any law anywhere that prohibits a manufacturer from sticking the required information on their product and in their marketing.

As a customer, I can draw my own conclusions when a manufacturer doesn't provide the information: I'll assume that thing is a gas guzzler and will avoid it. (Unless I read trusted reviews to the contrary.)

Re:A looming copper crunch and why recycling can’t fix it by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 01, 2022 @07:15AM (#32304392)
It's not the law that prevents the people in a Prisoners Dilemma situation from freely choosing the best outcome for themselves. It's the lack of enforcement of rules which incentives defection.

In this case:

good guy installs insulation

bad guy doesn't

good guy publishes info on future savings

bad guy publishes fake info

good guy publishes trusted reviews

bad guy publishes fake reviews.

and so on.

The good guys want the legislation, not to force then to do the thing they wanted to do anyway, they want it to stop bad guys putting them out of business via scamming customers.

Re:A looming copper crunch and why recycling can’t fix it by eru on Monday August 01, 2022 @08:12AM (#32304876)
Iterated prisoners dilemmas evolve cooperation naturally.

> bad guy publishes fake info

That's already illegal.

> bad guy publishes fake reviews.

That's already illegal.

Re:A looming copper crunch and why recycling can’t fix it by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 01, 2022 @09:05AM (#32305377)
Yes, the answer that evolves is co-operation, i.e. in the real world, regulations and legislation, binding all the individual players to do the thing that's best for all of them and punishes defectors to ensure incentives are aligned.

The better analogy for the prisoners dilemma is a drug deal or a spy swap. How can you trust the other person to do the right thing with no legal system to enforce penalties if they don't? Without that, less deals are made than they would otherwise, a loss of efficiency.

Re:A looming copper crunch and why recycling can’t fix it by eru on Monday August 01, 2022 @09:11AM (#32305445)
I don't think anyone has much of a problem with a legal system that restricts itself to contract enforcement.
Re:A looming copper crunch and why recycling can’t fix it by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 01, 2022 @09:17AM (#32305520)
Yeah, I'm sure the fossil fuel industry would be overjoyed if they couldn't dump CO2 into the atmosphere without first contracting with every person and animal on earth to reimburse them.
Re:A looming copper crunch and why recycling can’t fix it by eru on Monday August 01, 2022 @10:35PM (#32314570)
Carbon taxes (or alternatively cap-and-trade) are light-touch regulations favoured by many economists to deal with CO2.