Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by jrm4 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @01:36PM
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I keep hearing this and yet I keep being able to use X just fine.
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Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by thrillgore on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:33PM
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If anything, Wayland has gotten XOrg and other DEs to fix a lot of X11's shortcomings for general use. Gone are the days of having to edit xorg.conf and pray it doesn't brick your monitor.
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by majewsky on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:56PM
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Wayland and "an Xorg user experience that's not a disaster" came from roughly the same developers because of the same needs. Generally lots of stuff was moved out of Xorg into places where it fits better, into the Linux kernel (modesetting!), into Mesa, into application frameworks. This development is what made Wayland possible in the first place. By making large parts of Xorg obsolete, you enable a solution that trims out all the old garbage that nobody realistically needs anymore and hence nobody wants to maintain anymore.
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by jrm4 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:46PM
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See, all of that makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense to me is
"Hey, so decades of work has gone into Window Managers and Desktop Environments. How will we preserve those going forward with this?"
And the answer appears to have been "Eh, we wont. Maybe later? They can just rewrite them all or something." Madness.
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by majewsky on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @02:16PM
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Because the developers of window managers and desktop environments are precisely the people that benefit from foregoing backwards compatibility and getting rid of all the duct tape and zip ties that hold the modern X stack together. It is true that a duct-taped thing can work very well after sufficient iterations, but you absolutely don't want to be maintaining it.
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by sph on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:55PM
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I can use DOS just fine, but nobody ain't maintaining it.
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by jrm4 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:01PM
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Great. If X is like that that's an even better argument for "who cares about Wayland."
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by imtringued on Monday August 01, 2022 @03:23AM
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I am currently dependent on Xvfb and xdolib and frankly I don't care. Adding options doesn't take them away
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by jrm4 on Monday August 01, 2022 @09:15AM
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Not when those options are designed to crowd out the old thing, which is what I believe the strategy from Red Hat et al is.
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by brnt on Monday August 01, 2022 @02:26AM
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Freedos is maintained.
Re:Wayland Core Protocol Is Tailored Only for Gnome and That...
by sph on Monday August 01, 2022 @05:00AM
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By that metric, so is Xwayland.
(I knew someone would have mentioned the modern DOS emulation layers and missed the point.)