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Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by mlyle on Thursday July 28, 2022 @05:12PM (#32270176)
We just need to tax CO2 (and perhaps methane).

Accounting for CO2 intensity is all squishy-squashy. But if we tax the actual emissions then the true energy impact will be reflected in prices and the market will adapt to whatever actually really is optimum--whatever lends the most utils of resource use.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by lend000 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @07:32PM (#32271339)
+1 but generalize to all major pollutants, with the taxes levied being theoretically equal to the cost to "undo" that pollution.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday July 28, 2022 @07:36PM (#32271369)
So who gets to define "pollutant" and "cost"?

That kind of exercise is far more likely to get kinetic than defining "truth" (or whatever) because it is more directly linked to peoples livelihoods and standards of living.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by lend000 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:11PM (#32271602)
Pollution is probably the most objectively measurable of externalities. Much more so than say economic externalities/deciding what the exact values should be for tax brackets.

We could just start with the easiest case, which is a product/process that inherently releases pollutants (anything that releases gases) that may have some negative effects on others or the environment (the threshold should be low), then determine the market rate for capturing that pollution back from the environment and tax accordingly. This would also apply to medicines and lotions that don't get metabolized by the users and are inherently are going to end up in the ocean.

It gets trickier when we consider things that directly harm some people nearby, like smoking, and at a certain level of harm, these things should just be banned outright (i.e. you can't really undo lung cancer or mercury poisoning). Or things that aren't inherently pollutants (plastic containers), but in practice end up causing a lot of pollution.

Our government is too incompetent to approach the problem in a first-principles based way like this, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Banning individual things after they get out of control and doing complex mental gymnastics like cap and trade are much worse solutions.

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by ericd on Friday July 29, 2022 @12:18AM (#32273092)
Well, the US has a government agency that's normally supposed to work on that question. You're right that not everyone is pleased that they do that.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by refurb on Thursday July 28, 2022 @10:48PM (#32272620)
That is unlikely to happen. Hell, when gas prices went up (which should be viewed as a good thing? to discourage driving) governments jumped in to either drop taxes or give rebates back.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by efitz on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:18PM (#32271632)
What if a homeless person can’t afford the tax on their exhalations, does the government make them stop breathing?
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by er4hn on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:37PM (#32272169)
The tax will be based on the amount of CO2 you emit. High cardio jobs such as construction, delivery and politiciking will get tax credits to cover the cost. CrossFit practitioners will pay full cost, possibly even an excessive penalty. There will be a standard amount, but any smartwatch meeting the appropriate govt standard can be used to itemize if you are more sedentary.

Under this tax regime as long as the homeless person makes sure to promptly file the appropriate forms each year they should not be at risk of jail time.

( Being the internet, this is all a joke )

Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by chitowneats on Thursday July 28, 2022 @11:39PM (#32272904)
In 2022 we are very serious here on the internet. But welcome back! You must've been gone for quite some time.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by azertykeys on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:13PM (#32271988)
I think this is a pretty silly argument, considering how many taxes don't apply to poor people at large.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by hattmall on Thursday July 28, 2022 @10:38PM (#32272564)
They apply by keeping them poor, you may not pay them while poor, but they put a large weight on becoming not poor.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by ericd on Friday July 29, 2022 @12:21AM (#32273103)
To give a serious answer to an unserious question, it's taxed upon adding carbon to the carbon cycle. So, at time of hydrocarbon extraction/importation of an untaxed product.
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by yowlingcat on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:50PM (#32271839)
Is this an argument for or against "meat" consumption?
Re:FBI is hiding details about a raid on Americans’ safe dep... by refurb on Thursday July 28, 2022 @10:49PM (#32272628)
They will be sacrificed to appease the god Gaia and prevent future climate change catastrophies?