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Re:Google delays phasing out ad cookies on Chrome until 2024 by GuB-42 on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @08:56PM (#32259160)
I have no real reason to believe Firefox telemetry is used nefariously.

But I also don't believe that personal data Google collect will be used nefariously. I have yet to find a story that proves Google untrustworthy of my data. I consider personalized ads an annoyance (and I block them), but not a significant threat to my privacy, after all, they are shown to no one but me.

Same thing for Windows 10 telemetry.

As you can see, I am rather trusting of big tech, but because I am trusting, I am not going to choose Firefox for privacy reasons. I actually use half Firefox, half Chrome, but privacy has nothing to do with it.

Now, if I was less trusting, enough not to want to share my data with Google and Microsoft, then why would I trust Firefox? I wouldn't want any data to leave my computer unless I explicitly allowed it. Firefox has questionable management and has Google as its biggest partner, enough for the paranoid me to raise concerns. And one thing for sure, with telemetry, if I really had "something to hide" (ex: criminal activity), I wouldn't use Firefox as is.

Re:Google delays phasing out ad cookies on Chrome until 2024 by gentleman11 on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @09:12PM (#32259261)
What about when arrests begin to happen as google reports peoples browsing data (or more) to authorities as women look for ways to get abortions? Or are you of the opinion that “criminals should know better than to use tools like chrome”? Pardon the strong phrasing, it’s just a sentiment I see on here a lot, it’s not directed at you personally
Re:Google delays phasing out ad cookies on Chrome until 2024 by GuB-42 on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @11:00PM (#32260030)
- AFAIK it didn't happen yet

- Who tells you that Mozilla won't do it?

- Criminal should know better than to use Chrome and Firefox, at least not without additional protection, and it includes disabling telemetry in both products.

I am not saying that Google can't do anything bad to me, I just trust that they won't. Answering the other comment about Nest camera, I didn't see any example of Google actually handing out data to police without a warrant, they are just saying that they can. I already know that they can, what I want to know is what they did. I also have no real reason to fear Mozilla, and I left telemetry enabled.

But I think that if you really want people to take your commitment to privacy seriously, "I collect data but trust me, I won't do anything bad" is not enough, I want that of course, but I also want technical commitment, and telemetry that is not strictly opt-in is a big no.

For me, vanilla Firefox is not a privacy-focused browser (and neither are Chrome and Edge). For me the criteria is: would I use it to commit a serious crime? If the answer is "no", it is not private. It is not that I want to commit a crime, or that privacy=crime, but that's like a litmus test. In fact I didn't even look into it but TOR browser comes to mind, it is based on Firefox, but of course, telemetry has been removed.

Re:Google delays phasing out ad cookies on Chrome until 2024 by pabs3 on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @09:15PM (#32259282)
How about this story about Google providing Nest data to police without a warrant:

https://petapixel.com/2022/07/27/googles-nest-will-provide-d... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32250470

Re:Google delays phasing out ad cookies on Chrome until 2024 by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @09:10PM (#32259247)
Google isn't the core problem. It's all the other bottom feeders using the same technologies as Google to engage in mass surveillance. Google's inertia enables the bad actors to persist. Even with Google, the data they have on you isn't safe against an overly broad warrant.