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Re:We don't do that here (2017) by rougka on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @01:40PM (#32253693)
Stalinism might had a top down approach to ideology, but what would get you in a gulag is the people around you reporting you to the kgb. This made oppression including linguistic also bottom-up

Newspeak is actually a very similar approach to what’s going on currently because it removes words that allows communicating ideologically problematic concepts. What’s going on with the entire blacklist/whitelist issues is based on the assumption that removing a word that describes a perceived injustice will remove that injustice from the world. It is an approach that is completely blind to the real meaning a word has taken, and tries to folk etymologically hack a different interpretation. This is why the real insulting words are never these that debated.

Both Newspeak and "rightspeak" think that language creates reality rather than the other way around

Re:We don't do that here (2017) by NoraCodes on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @02:05PM (#32254120)
> Stalinism might had a top down approach to ideology, but what would get you in a gulag is the people around you reporting you to the kgb. This made oppression including linguistic also bottom-up

Snitching on your neighbors to the state secret police because they criticized the state is not a bottom-up movement. It is possible only when there is a coherent, centralized state agenda.

There are no woke police. There is no woke Stalin. The analogy is utterly inapplicable here.

> the real insulting words are never these that debated.

I'm curious about this, do you have some examples?

Re:We don't do that here (2017) by rougka on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @03:09PM (#32255217)
In a corporate environment you do have an investigation department that enforces such language. However, my point is that in a totalitarian environment people treated you as a pariah for non conforming, as they would not want to face a similar fate. This is a similarity to the taboo of advocating against such an ideology.

about the examples, if you would take extreme slurs against minorities, these are not used in a professional environment already so they are never these that are discussed

The words that are discussed are such that are established for a different connotation. that connotation is completely metaphorical and does not carry any real insult, yet some insist on literalizing those, or finding hidden meanings