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Re:Under anesthesia, where do our minds go? by TuringTest on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @04:59AM (#32248313)
> the only thing we have direct access to, that physicalists nevertheless tend to treat as a magic side-effect of magically existing reality

Doesn't that perspective require a magically existing mind, which happens to magically discover an entire universe with consistent laws and constants as a side-effect of its experimental enquiries? Not much gained by the change of perspective, then?

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Re:Under anesthesia, where do our minds go? by strogonoff on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:41AM (#32264156)
It’s probably safe to assume that consciousness exists, as it’s what carries out this line of reasoning in the first place.

And no, I don’t think an elegant explanation is one that magically conjures up the existence of an entire universe that’s not directly accessible except as a representation within said consciousness.

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