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Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by s1artibartfast on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:55PM (#32246693)
I don't think I agree with their definition of external causes. Getting caught in a lawn mower or a death due to your own driving isn't an external cause in the same way that homicide is.
Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by woodruffw on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @12:02AM (#32246719)
Yes, that feels like an unnecessary broadening on their part. The data (second graph) already makes the point for them: NYC did better on murder rates than everywhere except fringe counties in 2020, and even beat them in the years before.
Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by s1artibartfast on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @12:56AM (#32246983)
Keep in mind they are comparing to an average, not a median or 50th percentile of each category.
Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by Kon-Peki on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @12:31AM (#32246860)
If you drive (or mow) recklessly, you are at a heightened risk of death, but it is still a pretty random occurrence. If not, you have a much lower risk, and it is still pretty random should it actually occur.

If you are involved in gang or other criminal behavior, you are a heightened risk of death, but it is still a pretty random occurrence. If not, you have a much lower risk, and it is still pretty random should it actually occur.

I think it is pretty fair to lump them in together.

Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by deepdriver on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @12:39AM (#32246899)
If you drive or mow recklessly, you suffer the results of your own choices. If you get mugged or shot on a city street, you've suffered the result of someone else's choices. Many experience more angst over the choices outside their control. I can't say I blame them.
Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by Kon-Peki on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @01:31AM (#32247178)
And yet people have very little angst getting out on a road filled with other people poorly driving massive overpowered vehicles at high rates of speed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32183007

Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by thunky on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @08:51AM (#32249804)
Probably because these people have a false sense of control when they drive.
Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by s1artibartfast on Friday July 29, 2022 @12:25AM (#32273131)
I would guess you can decrease your driving risk if you want by 90% by driving sober, not speeding, not tailgating, and not playing on your phone.

Not complete control, but pretty good.

Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by drewcoo on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @01:26AM (#32247140)
Sure, and if you're struck by lightning, you were probably outdoors of your own volition, so own up to it already!
Re:New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America by sparkbII on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @02:39AM (#32247516)
However, one scenario would have you operating heavy machinery more often.