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Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by wly_cdgr on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @08:55AM (#32237614)
I've never been able to enjoy these kinds of games because whenever I play them I just feel like I'm trying to figure out what ideologically dubious and half-informed beliefs and assumptions about urban management the developers baked into the game logic
Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by sn0wtrooper on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:32AM (#32238048)
Thinking like this would drive you off many many games.
Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by wly_cdgr on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:52AM (#32238262)
Very true, and it does. But there are fortunately still plenty to enjoy (as well as plenty of pleasures outside of games!). I mean, just chess and Geometry Wars are enough for a lifetime.

Also, it's easier for me to stomach/look past the ideological biases in stuff like FPS and action adventure games, because they tend to largely be right out in the open on the surface narrative / world-building layers. For example, if you don't like the Guardian feminism of Horizon Zero Dawn or the jingoism of CoD, you can just kinda ignore those aspects and enjoy the mechanics, art, exploration, etc - or at least I can. Vs. the bias black box of simulation games

Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by kamarg on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:44AM (#32238996)
> just chess

Ah yes a game that reinforces that lowly peons should be sacrificed in battle so that the 1% can come out on top. No possible conflicts in morality there /s

Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by wly_cdgr on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:50AM (#32239933)
I'm no GM but I'm decent (USCF 2100+ peak) and that is a chess novice take. The game's ideological subtext is much more complex and nuanced than that
Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by andrepd on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:18AM (#32239555)
Sometimes sacrificing queen and bishops for a promoted pawn is the way to go ;)
Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by wly_cdgr on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:22AM (#32237911)
And if I realize those opinions don't align with my own, I am now faced with the choice between failing at the game or succeeding by doing things that I think should fail.

No thanks. I'll take my strategy abstract, please

Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by Cyberdog on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @12:08PM (#32240155)
As an anarchist hippie, I still enjoy the Civ series, including decimating neighboring countries and claiming their territory as my own… after they declare war on me first, anyway. And the FPS genre has been brought up in another subthread - though to be sure I greatly prefer sci-fi or fantasy-themed ones like Halo or Quake to the more "realistic" Collar Doody games.
Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by BeetleB on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:08AM (#32239396)
That would be true for so many other games. Sports games, first person shooters, etc.
Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by wly_cdgr on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:52AM (#32239960)
No doubt...it's a big part of what makes games so fascinating and perennially relevant and fun to talk/think about
Re:Magnasanti – The largest and most terrible city of SimCity by Mezzie on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:55AM (#32238301)
But that's why modding and breaking them is so fun.