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Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by winternett on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @01:56AM (#32234796)
If apple is pro privacy, they wouldn't be putting lidar scanning on their phones.

Whether it's enabled or not, Lidar is military-grade tech that has no place on most cell phones,

Let's not act like the entire industry isn't heavily invested in data collection... It does damage to real discussions about privacy and consumer protection for everyone.

Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by happymellon on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @02:04AM (#32234853)
Lidar is not military grade. Where did you pull that from?

You can get Lidar on all sorts of civilian applications, from height mapping on drone photography, to driving assistance on cars. The lidar on phones is over-kill, depth mapping in photos or cheap crappy AR are not great use cases, but that doesn't make it a privacy problem.

Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by bobkazamakis on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @01:58AM (#32234805)
> Lidar is military-grade tech

encryption is military-grade tech too.

Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by rightbyte on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @06:04AM (#32236345)
> encryption is military-grade tech too

Anything painted green and sold for 10x the price is military grade.

Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by winternett on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @02:02AM (#32234834)
Yeah, but encryption is purposed as a security feature, Lidar is a data collection feature.

https://www.opentopography.org/blog/iphone-lidar-application...

Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by happymellon on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @02:06AM (#32234863)
So is the camera on your phone purely a data collection feature that should be removed?

How about the touch screen/keyboard?

Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by winternett on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @02:34AM (#32235088)
Input devices like cameras and keyboards are necessary for interaction, and everyone who creates pretty much knows how to use them.

Lidar is completely different tech that can scan an entire room, faces of everyone in it without their consent, and even devices and products in the room with you, even things out of camera view.

Vastly more invasive, and most people are completely unaware it is on phones now and what it can do.

C'mon man... It's not an argument point, it's necessary privacy threat awareness.

Re:Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok by happymellon on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @03:18AM (#32235341)
Phone cameras can scan an entire room of people, and faces of everyone in it without their consent. Including devices and products in the room.

Lidar will struggle with items in the room as it is simply an depth detection tech so it will simply see a box, rather than chocolate chip cookies.

I think lidar is an odd one, that's all. Phone cameras are significantly worse for privacy.