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Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by forinti on Monday July 25, 2022 @05:44AM (#32222338)
In 2009 my card had a 6-digit PIN and I went on holiday to Argentina. The card readers there only accepted 4 digits and they validated my card with the first 4 digits of my PIN.

That was a bit disconcerting.

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by sgjohnson on Monday July 25, 2022 @06:11AM (#32222491)
PIN is actually completely optional.

A rogue terminal can decide to authorize the transaction with a “signature” (there are legitimate uses for this)

Or even with no PIN at all (there are also legitimate uses for this)

It’s also possible to do either of these 2 things and then report back that the transaction what authorized with a PIN

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by Goz3rr on Monday July 25, 2022 @08:13AM (#32223272)
On that subject, I (a European) went to the US last week. It was time to pay at a restaurant in their needlessly complicated way where they hand you the bill, you return them the bill with your card and then they return once more for you to fill out the tip. Shortly after the second step the waiter returned apologizing, saying they could not bypass the PIN on the card like they normally could (which was slightly startling to me) and asked if I could come with them to enter it on the payment terminal myself.
Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by sgjohnson on Monday July 25, 2022 @10:39AM (#32224949)
Must have been a debit card that flat out refused anything but Chip & PIN.

Most cards aren't like this.

With my UK issued AmEx & Visa cards (both Charge/Credit), at certain places terminal didn't even ask me for a PIN, and the transaction just went through as "Chip & Signature"

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by dzhiurgis on Monday July 25, 2022 @05:02PM (#32230878)
Up in Lithuania they now starting to have a contactless tipping device where you scroll the wheel to select tip amount.

Which is kinda pointless since if you are paying and receiving service at the counter - you aren't really receiving a service to tip for.

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by saiya-jin on Monday July 25, 2022 @06:42AM (#32222690)
Same experience (card came with default 6-digit pin that I didn't change), never have longer-than-4 pin when traveling outside of western democracies. The fact that it worked made me doubt that it was actually verified, but didn't have balls to play with this too far away from easily obtainable money
Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by hardware2win on Monday July 25, 2022 @06:10AM (#32222481)
What the...?

Its crazy, but kinda reasonable