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Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by gjsman-1000 on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:21PM (#32218811)
Wow… and I had felt nervous about the computers in my house and business still running Windows 10 (which will be EOL in 3 years, not a lot of time for a business). But McDonalds has no problem with Vista (EOL 5 years ago). Ouch.

If McDonalds ever gets hacked, this should come up for possible criminal liability.

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by checker on Sunday July 24, 2022 @08:03PM (#32219092)
He posted a correction (at the bottom) that they are running Windows 7, so it's a marginally better situation.
Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by prvit on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:29PM (#32218863)
> If McDonalds ever gets hacked, this should come up for possible criminal liability.

Oh no, the criminals might find out about your disgusting eating habits! The horror!

Seriously though, what kind of damages might you as a customer expect to see from McDonalds kiosks getting hacked?

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by egypturnash on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:56PM (#32219047)
The same damages you might expect from sticking your credit card into a hacked ATM.

There are some comments here claiming that their experience with McDonald’s order kiosks in the US makes them feel this is unlikely to be hackable, but “employees regularly leave them unlocked” sure sounds like an invitation for someone to find other hacks.

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by prvit on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:58PM (#32219055)
So… nothing? At least a physically tampered-with ATM could capture the magnetic stripe on my card. But what could a hacked ATM do with my not-American card which I insert in the chip slot?
Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by seoaeu on Monday July 25, 2022 @04:50AM (#32221996)
Deduct a bunch of money from your account but not dispense it?
Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by prvit on Monday July 25, 2022 @05:04AM (#32222098)
But… why?
Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by mh- on Sunday July 24, 2022 @08:00PM (#32219067)
e.g. none? at least in the US.

when the credit card issuer fraudulent credits the charges back to your account, you no longer have any (meaningful) damages.

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by userbinator on Sunday July 24, 2022 @09:57PM (#32219786)
I have no problem with XP either.

The "EOL" carping is mostly from the corporate interests; and as the other comments here explain, the actual secret part of the card processing happens on a complete separate machine which is definitely far more secured.

Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by LandoCalrissian on Sunday July 24, 2022 @08:50PM (#32219393)
I caught one of the self checkouts rebooting at my local grocery store and it was still running Windows XP.
Re:Why are McDonald’s Self Service Kiosks so hackable? by Jaruzel on Monday July 25, 2022 @02:44AM (#32221241)
Nothing wrong with that, IF it's on an isolated WAN, and not connected to the internet.

A fully patched copy of XP, with all the group/local policies set to lock it down, is very secure.

In a lot of cases, it may look like XP, but it's actually XP Embedded, which has a lot of stuff stripped out, which reduces the attack surface significantly.

It costs money to upgrade the checkout application for a new OS, and put it through rigorous testing - These things need to work almost 24/7 without crashing or needing admin intervention.

It's the old idiom: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.