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Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by rossdavidh on Sunday July 24, 2022 @03:44PM (#32216934)
There is plenty of politics in Texas, for sure, but it wasn't coal power systems that failed in the winter, it was wind, natgas, and one nuclear power plant.
Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by abathur on Sunday July 24, 2022 @03:55PM (#32217044)
Iirc wind performed more or less as forecast (admittedly not great, but as expected) during Feb 2021 and nearly all of the shortfall came down to natural gas plants and infra failing.
Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by rossdavidh on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:53PM (#32218612)
I'm all in favor of wind power in Texas, and want more of it, but it did do worse than expected in Feb 2021. It's just a problem to be fixed, not a reason to drop wind power (west Texas has a lot of wind), but it did actually happen.
Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by abathur on Sunday July 24, 2022 @09:30PM (#32219621)
It's not about who is or isn't in favor of it. The narrative has been misleading here.

Check figures 2.c on page 18 and 2.o on page 34 in UT's report on this (https://energy.utexas.edu/sites/default/files/UTAustin%20%28...) for a sense of the scope of how unexpected capacity outages break down.

Yes--a lot of wind was offline. But all of the expected wind capacity could have been met and the grid would have still needed to shed quite a bit of load. In fact, all of the expected wind, solar, coal, and nuclear could have been online and the grid would have still had to shed a meaningful amount.

The scale of the natural gas outages was larger than the entire load-shed, afaict.

Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by TaylorAlexander on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:47PM (#32217549)
My understanding is that this is incorrect, and it was coal power plants that weren’t properly winterized that failed. Of course you had a lot of people claiming the opposite, without evidence.

EDIT: Okay there was some loss in capacity in wind power, but the greatest loss in capacity was natural gas plants, which lost 15GW of capacity. I confused natural gas with coal as I don’t consider either to be climate friendly. Wind lost about 3GW of capacity.

See at 7:50 here: https://youtu.be/08mwXICY4JM

Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by rossdavidh on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:52PM (#32218601)
Excellent video channel, I follow it as well.

By the way, natgas is actually much friendlier (well, less hostile) to the environment than coal, if you're looking at carbon/kWh or all of the other things released into the atmosphere when you burn coal.

However, you can much more easily make a giant mound of coal next to your power plant, than store up enough natgas (LNG is much more expensive to store). So, the power plants required natgas to show up in the pipeline, and when the temperature dropped and everybody cranked up the heat, not only in Texas, the natgas pressure in the pipelines dropped. Oil (liquid) and coal (solid) are just fundamentally easier to stockpile than natgas or wind (gas) or solar (light).

A big freakin' battery would help with this, but that isn't a cost-effective option (yet?).

Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by TaylorAlexander on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:00PM (#32218676)
Natural gas is 100 times more potent of a greenhouse gas than CO2 though when unburned and it leaks when being collected and transported.
Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by Aloha on Sunday July 24, 2022 @05:21PM (#32217867)
Natural Gas may not be climate friendly, but there is lots of it in Texas, and it's more environmentally friendly than coal.

The Natural Gas distribution system just fell apart two years ago.

Re:Samsung asks for planning permission for 11 fabs in Texas by vel0city on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:35PM (#32218464)
Actually some coal plants did fail in the freeze as well.