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Re:We're going to need a lot of solar panels by ZeroGravitas on Saturday July 23, 2022 @08:15AM (#32202622)
What are you going to do with the atmosphere derived gasoline that you couldn't do better, cheaper and cleaner with cheap electricity?

That's why no one is making it at scale.

We're rapidly expanding renewable production at an amazing pace, as the article discusses, but we are very much still in the "stop burning fuels and directly electrify processes instead" stage, because that is currently cheaper even without including long term externalities, so even in lawless or suicidal nations self-interest makes it happen.

But the relatively small markets that fossil fuels will retreat to as electrification takes hold will soon be under threat too, for purely economic reasons adding extra impetus for change to happen.

Most of those will just use hydrogen directly, further reducing the market for gasoline, but again even gasoline will be replaced with renewable derived fuels for whatever obscure uses we still have for it, because it will be cheaper.

Re:We're going to need a lot of solar panels by JohnHaugeland on Saturday July 23, 2022 @11:03AM (#32203951)
I just want to make sure that I'm understanding correctly.

You're saying that yes, we can economically make gasoline from the air today, and that the reason we don't is all the renewable production we're ramping up?

That everyone just decided not to sell carbon negative cheap gasoline?

I guess it's silly to ask why you believe that we can do this, based on no plant ever having been built with tens of billions of incentives available, huh? Probably can't get any evidence?

I don't think we're going to be able to see eye to eye on this. Thanks for the conversation

Re:We're going to need a lot of solar panels by ZeroGravitas on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:50AM (#32212144)
I thought I was clear.

We can do anything that atmospheric gasoline or normal gasoline could do cheaper without any gasoline at all.

Therefore there is no market for atmospheric gasoline, and the only reason there is a market for normal gasoline, is because the costs are hidden for now.

It is not "economic" to live off credit cards just because you don't bother to open the letters telling you how much you owe and you plan to be dead before they come to collect.

Re:We're going to need a lot of solar panels by JohnHaugeland on Sunday July 24, 2022 @02:03PM (#32215990)
> > > The catch is that power-to-gas tech described in the article

> > isn't real

> We can do anything that atmospheric gasoline or normal gasoline could do cheaper without any gasoline at all.

You have now completely exited the original discussion

Please exit argument autopilot